Horses with Multiattack bug?

[infinity]

I noticed none of the (11th level w/ Multiattack) horses in the party are getting hoof attacks, just a single bite attack.

Am I missing something or is this a bug?

[Kaze]

Multiattack has no practical effect on horses because all their natural attacks are Primary. Multiattack negates the penalty for Secondary natural attacks, so you'd need an animal with secondary natural attacks to take advantage of it.

[infinity]

Originally posted by Kaze:

Multiattack has no practical effect on horses because all their natural attacks are Primary. Multiattack negates the penalty for Secondary natural attacks, so you'd need an animal with secondary natural attacks to take advantage of it.

As I understood it, horses should gain hoof attacks with Multiattack, but mine still only have a single bite attack.

[Necessary]

Originally posted by infinity:

Originally posted by Kaze:

Multiattack has no practical effect on horses because all their natural attacks are Primary. Multiattack negates the penalty for Secondary natural attacks, so you'd need an animal with secondary natural attacks to take advantage of it.

As I understood it, horses should gain hoof attacks with Multiattack, but mine still only have a single bite attack.

Do you use any mods? I haven't heard aboyt a bug with horse multiattack, at least yet. Are you sure, you level uped your horse? Pets portraits are hiding now under their owner portrait, you need to click on the little arrow and then on the plus icon on the horse portrait.

[infinity]

Originally posted by Necessary:

Originally posted by infinity:

As I understood it, horses should gain hoof attacks with Multiattack, but mine still only have a single bite attack.

Do you use any mods? I haven't heard aboyt a bug with horse multiattack, at least yet. Are you sure, you level uped your horse? Pets portraits are hiding now under their owner portrait, you need to click on the little arrow and then on the plus icon on the horse portrait.

I have a crusade mode mod, but nothing that -should- affect characters and their pets.

And yes, I can confirm all the pets are leveled up (to level 11). If it helps, here are the feats I've selected for all the horse mounts:

L1. Combat Reflexes
L3. Weapon Focus - Bite
L5. Shake It Off
L7. Outflank
L9. Seize The Moment
L11. Improved Critical - Bite

I'm fairly certain they did have those extra attacks at one point, but I wondered if the latest patch may have affected it? I did submit a bug report last night with a screenshot.

[hilburnashua]

I cannot say the last time I saw a horse make a hoof attack if it was being used as a mount. I know I noticed the horse only making bite attacks a few months ago.

[infinity]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

I cannot say the last time I saw a horse make a hoof attack if it was being used as a mount. I know I noticed the horse only making bite attacks a few months ago.

Multiattack is a core ability the default horse path gets at L9. But nothing's showing up for me on their stat page, other than a single bite attack. So even if situationally it's not triggering, it should at least appear on their character page.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by infinity:

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

I cannot say the last time I saw a horse make a hoof attack if it was being used as a mount. I know I noticed the horse only making bite attacks a few months ago.

Multiattack is a core ability the default horse path gets at L9. But nothing's showing up for me on their stat page, other than a single bite attack. So even if situationally it's not triggering, it should at least appear on their character page.

This has nothing to do with multiattack. Multiattack makes it so that secondary attacks, like tentacles, wing attacks, tail attacks only apply a -2 penalty on the attack role instead of a -5 penalty.

When I open the martial tab on a horse I do see hoof attacks, same with elk. With a cat animal companion I see bite and claw attacks on the general character page and the martial page. With my Gold Dragon Mythic character the main character page only shows claw attacks, whereas the martial page shows both claw, both wing, bite, tail, and gore attacks. So, the main character page is just not showing all the natural attacks a character can make. But why horses might not be getting hoof attacks in actual combat is a different matter.

[Cutlass Jack]

I can confirm getting hoof attacks on my cavalier's horse on my current playthrough. They only happen if the horse didn't move before attacking. Which is less than half the time due to charging, etc. It doesn't matter if I'm mounted or not.

[infinity]

I even tried re-specing the Main Character, and it didn't make a difference.

[Cutlass Jack]

The hoof attacks they get from level 1. Not from 'Multiattack.' Its not listed on the weapon panel on the left. Its listed on the 'martial' tab of the character sheet, right column.

Multiattack just reduces the attack penalty for the hoof attacks. You have the hoof attacks even without it.

[RedwoodElf]

If the horse moves before attacking more than 5 feet, it won't do a FULL attack. It only gets the hoof attacks on a full attack.

[Icedfate]

i dunno if this is the same bug, but when seelah is riding the horse and she attacks, the horse only gets to take its bite attack.
when she dismounts, the horse gets all 3 attacks

I also noticed that on the horse's character equipment page, it only shows the bite attack on its equipment, while the leopard and the raptor show both slots filled.(yeah, my horse is dead right now. the nabasu enervated it. . .)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2961001342

[Cutlass Jack]

I'm not having any trouble with Seelah's mount getting hoof attacks either. But again, only if the horse doesn't move.

I haven't yet tested if having a weapon with a different reach than the horse (or lunge feat) makes a difference.

[Icedfate]

my horse won't do the hoof attacks while seela is riding it

[infinity]

I'm going to play tonight and test reach vs non-reach weapons / mounted vs unmounted.

Although that is a good point about the hoof attacks only showing up on the martial tab and not the main character tab. This is my first PT with this game, I wouldn't have guessed that is where they would show up.