i'm a bit overwhelmed

[Caluti]

I'm siting in the character creation for 25 minutes and picking traits spell religion god knows what i don't even know what half of it means, please tell me it get better? I did not even play yet i feel i want to quit already...

[Duder]

It is the most complex PC Rpg game of all time in my opinion. I like that kind of thing however. Do you know anything about DnD rules?

You can respec your characters from early on as well.

Just go with your gut, trial and error, that's what I find fun.
Or follow a build guide. Here's an example:

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Camellia

Lower the difficulty to Normal or even lower on your first play.
Play through for a while until you get the rules more, and try restarting then.

This game does not hold your hand and there's not much of a tutorial for beginners.
Read the tooltips and look at the rolls in combat, in the log.
Watch some Let's Plays for beginners on YouTube

[Swordman_Red]

Originally posted by Caluti:

I'm siting in the character creation for 25 minutes and picking traits spell religion god knows what i don't even know what half of it means, please tell me it get better? I did not even play yet i feel i want to quit already...

You are telling us that you do not understand and are not excited by deep character customization and are not interested in lore of the world you are about to dive in?
Why have you bought the game then? You might not be an audience of classical CRPG then.
I'd recommend trying more hack'n'slash oriented stuff, like Skyrim, or loot/math oriented stuff, like Diablo.

[Soul]

oh dont worry it gets better..... you start getting mythic paths which can have dramatic impact on your game.... the crusade management gameplay with its army management, building forts, relics, decrees, events..... so yeah it gives you more complex stuff down the road...

[Duder]

Originally posted by Soul:

oh dont worry it gets better..... you start getting mythic paths which can have dramatic impact on your game.... the crusade management gameplay with its army management, building forts, relics, decrees, events..... so yeah it gives you more complex stuff down the road...

Better meaning worse.
Even though you're overwhelmed, I'd say if it still interests you, keep it and keep going.
Once you know what you're doing even a bit, they are rewarding games.
Or if you've already given up, try and get a refund.

[Deo]

Originally posted by Caluti:

I'm siting in the character creation for 25 minutes and picking traits spell religion god knows what i don't even know what half of it means, please tell me it get better? I did not even play yet i feel i want to quit already...

With both Kingmaker and Wotr you have to like the game visuals, or soundtrack, or story - something you can hop on and ride through the game.

I would not say that Wotr is very complicated, but it's quite detailed. Which is good. Some new RPG that came recently, is very simple and plays more like a mobile game, than a RPG. Not a fan of that personally.

If you feel like you want to quit - it's better to quit I guess. There are plenty of games.

[reidj062]

Religion doesn't matter for most people. Clerics, druids, paladins and inquisitors. I think that's it. There are descriptions for most things, though I admit it's kind of hard to see what the overall progression of a character class looks like. What exactly are you trying to make?

[Caluti]

Well thanks guys i will give it a shoot, but its a bit to much i started it every character have 5-6 spells i don't know a lot of systems i don't understand, and i Don't feel like i want to watch a few hours of guide to play a game, i will give it a shoot see how long i can go

[Von Herbst]

Originally posted by Swordman_Red:

I'd recommend trying more hack'n'slash oriented stuff, like Skyrim, or loot/math oriented stuff, like Diablo.

Impling that WotR isnt a math/minmaxoriented game is just dishonest.

@OP: Choiceblindness is kind of normal, and even if you have some basic understandmend how older dnd editions or, well pathfinder as a ruleset works, missing vocabulary also make things not easier.

I suggest to start with an basic concept and start to filter out what you dont want for the beginning. The creaton process leads you (most of the time) on the right track. Beeng smart as a fighter is not important, being strong as a caster probably also and so on.
If you make it to the game, have a look at the battle log. Most text is interactive and gives you some information. So you may notice quite early some mistake and can dump your first character.
Lets be honest, the character creation is kind of painful, buy you get used to it.

[Razer]

I think Pathfinder is as bloated as it gets with options for characters at both character creation and level up. It does not get better if you want simplicity, but you will get used to it. DnD and Pathfinder games are definitely not for beginners in the genre.

[Soul]

Originally posted by Caluti:

Well thanks guys i will give it a shoot, but its a bit to much i started it every character have 5-6 spells i don't know a lot of systems i don't understand, and i Don't feel like i want to watch a few hours of guide to play a game, i will give it a shoot see how long i can go

its ok... it may seem overwhelming but it actually isnt once you get into it a bit.... and as far as the other mechanics it throws at you bit by bit so its not all at once like character creation is.... but yeah for a first time experience i'd imagine it is overwhelming to see how many options are available for classes...

[Duder]

Originally posted by Soul:

Originally posted by Caluti:

Well thanks guys i will give it a shoot, but its a bit to much i started it every character have 5-6 spells i don't know a lot of systems i don't understand, and i Don't feel like i want to watch a few hours of guide to play a game, i will give it a shoot see how long i can go

its ok... it may seem overwhelming but it actually isnt once you get into it a bit.... and as far as the other mechanics it throws at you bit by bit so its not all at once like character creation is.... but yeah for a first time experience i'd imagine it is overwhelming to see how many options are available for classes...

Especially if you're not at all familiar with at least the basics of DnD
I would also suggest you play the game in turn based mode. Less stressful if you don't know what you're doing.

[Caluti]

Thanks everyone lot of people told me its an amazing game good story hard challenging combat bit complicated at the start. Now that i tried it i i stare at menus and stats and more then an hour now and i played the game 10 minutes , that's why i made the post, i will try

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Duder:

It is the most complex PC Rpg game of all time in my opinion. I like that kind of thing however. Do you know anything about DnD rules?

You can respec your characters from early on as well.

Just go with your gut, trial and error, that's what I find fun.
Or follow a build guide. Here's an example:

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Camellia

Lower the difficulty to Normal or even lower on your first play.
Play through for a while until you get the rules more, and try restarting then.

This game does not hold your hand and there's not much of a tutorial for beginners.
Read the tooltips and look at the rolls in combat, in the log.
Watch some Let's Plays for beginners on YouTube

I would argue Pathfinder WotR is for experience RPG players only which can kinda be a bad thing but i do agree with your points over-all.

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Caluti:

Thanks everyone lot of people told me its an amazing game good story hard challenging combat bit complicated at the start. Now that i tried it i i stare at menus and stats and more then an hour now and i played the game 10 minutes , that's why i made the post, i will try

a simple 2 Handed Weapon Fighter is something that can work even on Unfair differculty mind you so if all eles fails do that for your first play though you can always re-fine your 2Handed weapon fighter build

basicly is simple
Step 1) Get your strength pretty high
Step 2) Pick up a two handed weapon for unfair replace any two handed weapon with one that has reach
Step 3) Take the Power Attack Feat

the above is good enough for normal or even core diff, not good enough for unfair but a good start.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by THAC0:

basicly is simple
Step 1) Get your strength pretty high
Step 2) Pick up a two handed weapon for unfair replace any two handed weapon with one that has reach
Step 3) Take the Power Attack Feat

step 4) Cleave, use this as your default attack until you get a 2nd swing, for a full bab class is level 6, or level 8 for average bab class.
step 5) Cleaving finish, this is the prize and is a great passive for the rest of the game
step bonus) add in lunge, with a reach weapon like fauchard or bardiche (glaive early game), you now have an insane range for AoO and cleave.

You would want weapon focus and critical for your weapon.