BUILD HELP - Elven Curve Sword

[Aerandir]

Hi everyone!
I wanted to create a build (Core difficulty) for my main character that would be either a buffer or a Sword Saint and use an elven curve sword. For the buffer classes, I tried Skald, Alchemist, Bard, or Brown Fur (I don't want to play a Cleric), but it didn't work well each time.
Additionally, I would like to take the Golden Dragon or Trickster mythic path, but I'm unsure if they synergize well.

What do you think? Is it possible to create a nice build with these three conditions:

- Buffer or Sword Saint
- Elven Curve Sword
- Golden Dragon or Trickster

If you have any build ideas, I would be happy to read them.

[Raikon]

Well an elven, elven curved sword saint trickster is definitely a good way to go.

The sword saint class itself is extremely powerful. It has two weapon multipliers in it.

I'd probably enjoy a mutation warrior 5, sohei 11, tyoe build. I'm not sure if the recent patch changed how animal companion leveling worked, but the max you could multi class was 5, for a lvl 20 pet.

I generally prefer more attacks over stronger few attacks.

It's tricky to get around the alignment restrictions though, at least for trickster.

[Brother Santodes]

i just made a meme build mutation worrier that uses an elven curved blade and until now kinda works and the path doesn't matter much.

[Babbles]

I second Sword Saint for any "I want to use this type of" weapon build. ECB with it's 18-20 crit range is perfect for Sword Saint :)

Edit: Trickster is just an added force multiplier. Pretty rough on Hard/Unfair pre Act 4 though :(

[Hex]

Could also go Slayer, 2h Fighter/Eld Knight or Bloodrager.

Tho really, there's only like 1 ECB worth using in the game. Some weapon types were just put in the game so they can say it's in the game and then forgotten.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Hex:

Could also go Slayer, 2h Fighter/Eld Knight or Bloodrager.

Tho really, there's only like 1 ECB worth using in the game. Some weapon types were just put in the game so they can say it's in the game and then forgotten.

Yeah I have done a SS Falchion Trickster and a BR Falchion Trickster deep into Act 4 - both were totally viable, I mean, gotta be better than a punch dagger build?

Edit: Remember, Trickster builds potentially have access to all the Kingmaker weapons too :)

[D-Black Catto]

sword saint with elven curve sword is less then optimal as it's a two handed weapon. that means you won't be able to cast spells during combat as you need one hand free.

elven curve sword, like all two handed weapons is good for melee dps except the gimmic is you're scaling of dex and not str

for buffer, just give them a staff or a crossbow and keep them behind. frontline buffer is a suboptimal idea.

[Hex]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

sword saint with elven curve sword is less then optimal as it's a two handed weapon. that means you won't be able to cast spells during combat as you need one hand free.

elven curve sword, like all two handed weapons is good for melee dps except the gimmic is you're scaling of dex and not str

for buffer, just give them a staff or a crossbow and keep them behind. frontline buffer is a suboptimal idea.

With SS you don't need to combat cast anyways. It's really not a big deal.

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

sword saint with elven curve sword is less then optimal as it's a two handed weapon. that means you won't be able to cast spells during combat as you need one hand free.

elven curve sword, like all two handed weapons is good for melee dps except the gimmic is you're scaling of dex and not str

for buffer, just give them a staff or a crossbow and keep them behind. frontline buffer is a suboptimal idea.

With SS you don't need to combat cast anyways. It's really not a big deal.

huge part of ss is channeling touch attack through weapon attacks

in other words, you cast something like vampiric touch and then it's added to weapon damage on every single weapon strike you execute as a full turn attack, and you can do it all in one action
but you can't cast it if you don't have a hand free

[Hex]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by Hex:

With SS you don't need to combat cast anyways. It's really not a big deal.

huge part of ss is channeling touch attack through weapon attacks

in other words, you cast something like vampiric touch and then it's added to weapon damage on every single weapon strike you execute as a full turn attack, and you can do it all in one action
but you can't cast it if you don't have a hand free

You already do a disgusting amount of damage with just dimension striking. Personally, I've always used a dueling sword with SS, I know how it works, but it's not a huge deal.

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

huge part of ss is channeling touch attack through weapon attacks

in other words, you cast something like vampiric touch and then it's added to weapon damage on every single weapon strike you execute as a full turn attack, and you can do it all in one action
but you can't cast it if you don't have a hand free

You already do a disgusting amount of damage with just dimension striking. Personally, I've always used a dueling sword with SS, I know how it works, but it's not a huge deal.

it is a huge deal. a two handed ss is just what, a mediocre BAB fighter with arcane weapon enchancment?

if you want arcane weapon enhancement, paladin and spirit hunter can do the same thing but better. the entire gimmic of magus and its archetypes is dual wielding sword and spell

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by Hex:

You already do a disgusting amount of damage with just dimension striking. Personally, I've always used a dueling sword with SS, I know how it works, but it's not a huge deal.

it is a huge deal. a two handed ss is just what, a mediocre BAB fighter with arcane weapon enchancment?

if you want arcane weapon enhancement, paladin and spirit hunter can do the same thing but better. the entire gimmic of magus and its archetypes is dual wielding sword and spell

I also have to disagree with you. My last Magus run was Solo Unfair in Kingmaker, and touch spells were barely a consideration - the most important parts of the build were arcane self-buffs and the ability to target impossibly high AC enemies thanks to Dimension Strike. I haven't tried this build in WotR yet, but I imagine it plays out exactly the same.

[Hex]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

it is a huge deal. a two handed ss is just what, a mediocre BAB fighter with arcane weapon enchancment?

if you want arcane weapon enhancement, paladin and spirit hunter can do the same thing but better. the entire gimmic of magus and its archetypes is dual wielding sword and spell

I also have to disagree with you. My last Magus run was Solo Unfair in Kingmaker, and touch spells were barely a consideration - the most important parts of the build were arcane self-buffs and the ability to target impossibly high AC enemies thanks to Dimension Strike. I haven't tried this build in WotR yet, but I imagine it plays out exactly the same.

It plays even better with Mythic stuff. Some were nerfed a bit though along the way, but you can still dish out hundreds of points of damage per turn without touch spells with SS.

[Yannir]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by Hex:

You already do a disgusting amount of damage with just dimension striking. Personally, I've always used a dueling sword with SS, I know how it works, but it's not a huge deal.

it is a huge deal. a two handed ss is just what, a mediocre BAB fighter with arcane weapon enchancment?

if you want arcane weapon enhancement, paladin and spirit hunter can do the same thing but better. the entire gimmic of magus and its archetypes is dual wielding sword and spell

I'd argue that you'd be right if the talk was about any other type of Magus than SS. A Trickster SS can basically be built to have a 100% crit chance with a x5 crit multiplier that can attack Touch AC with regular attacks. A puny Vampiric Touch pales in comparison to the damage potential of a 2-handed weapon in this scenario.

[Moo]

I have a skald with a fauchard build and it works very well. If your skald is an elf, elven curved blade should work very well, you don't even need to pick the exotic weapons feat.

[Deo]

There is an interesting Elven Curved Sword, which drops from Forn Autumn Haze (The Outcast questline). This sword has stackable accuracy buff on miss, so you will get accuracy endlessly until you hit enemy. This way you can build zero AB Sword Saint tank and still hit enemies, also adding Destructive Shockwave on top. With Protective Luck from Witch/Shaman you reduce chances of being hit on natural 20.