Need help with Vesacrove Swarms in leper’s smile

[swordfish]

I am on hard difficulty. They are almost immune to fire and get halved damage from melees. They have me always confused, even though I use no fear spell, as well unbreakable heart scrolls last for 6 seconds only, they are supposed to last number of rounds per level but I duno maybe bug??

[RedwoodElf]

Assuming you got Ulbrig back in the starter town, he has a necklace that causes whoever wears it to do full damage to swarms. Give that to Lan or Wenduag and they can clear the swarms for you pretty quick.

[Occultist]

Originally posted by swordfish:

I am on hard difficulty. They are almost immune to fire and get halved damage from melees. They have me always confused, even though I use no fear spell, as well unbreakable heart scrolls last for 6 seconds only, they are supposed to last number of rounds per level but I duno maybe bug??

Ember (or any caster) with Ascendant Element - fire mythic ability (plus one level of crossblooded sorc red+gold dragons), Swarmbane Clasp amulet (Ulbrig has it, you can give it to anyone).

Vissaliy sells Bookworm's Headband, which should also help.

Also, you want to cast unbreakable heart after someone was confused, but before their turn. As it supresses the effect.

[swordfish]

Originally posted by Occultist:

Originally posted by swordfish:

I am on hard difficulty. They are almost immune to fire and get halved damage from melees. They have me always confused, even though I use no fear spell, as well unbreakable heart scrolls last for 6 seconds only, they are supposed to last number of rounds per level but I duno maybe bug??

Ember (or any caster) with Ascendant Element - fire mythic ability (plus one level of crossblooded sorc red+gold dragons), Swarmbane Clasp amulet (Ulbrig has it, you can give it to anyone).

Vissaliy sells Bookworm's Headband, which should also help.

Also, you want to cast unbreakable heart after someone was confused, but before their turn. As it supresses the effect.

I have ascended element but she gets confused as she gets closer to Swarms, as well for somehow she does not do good damage

[Occultist]

Originally posted by swordfish:

Originally posted by Occultist:

Ember (or any caster) with Ascendant Element - fire mythic ability (plus one level of crossblooded sorc red+gold dragons), Swarmbane Clasp amulet (Ulbrig has it, you can give it to anyone).

Vissaliy sells Bookworm's Headband, which should also help.

Also, you want to cast unbreakable heart after someone was confused, but before their turn. As it supresses the effect.

I have ascended element but she gets confused as she gets closer to Swarms, as well for somehow she does not do good damage

Don't be afraid to lower the difficulty then. No shame in it. If you have an earlier save, give her one level (just one!) of crossblooded sorcerer and give both draconic bloodlines (there are 3 which boost fire damage: brass, red and gold), after that, keep progressing her in witch (or loremaster etc)

Also give Bookworm's Headband to your dps character

[Duder]

Ascendant Element flinging controlled fireballs and channeling negative energy if I remember correctly is what did it for me this time - on Hard as well
Also as said Ulbrig with the Swarmbane Clasp - or anyone with natural attacks is deadly to a swarm
Haste in every battle possible FYI if you haven't already

[tiamats4esgares]

Originally posted by Occultist:

Originally posted by swordfish:

I have ascended element but she gets confused as she gets closer to Swarms, as well for somehow she does not do good damage

Don't be afraid to lower the difficulty then. No shame in it. If you have an earlier save, give her one level (just one!) of crossblooded sorcerer and give both draconic bloodlines (there are 3 which boost fire damage: brass, red and gold), after that, keep progressing her in witch (or loremaster etc)

Also give Bookworm's Headband to your dps character

"lower the difficulty herp derp" isn't very helpful "advice".

I don't recommend putting a point into crossblooded until level 12, after she gets fire snake. You can I guess but this fight isn't THAT hard to need that...

You should have at lest one, preferably more people with Unbreakable Heart, no reason not to.

Originally posted by Duder:

Ascendant Element flinging controlled fireballs and channeling negative energy if I remember correctly is what did it for me this time - on Hard as well
Also as said Ulbrig with the Swarmbane Clasp - or anyone with natural attacks is deadly to a swarm
Haste in every battle possible FYI if you haven't already

Haste is not needed "in every battle ever", not all groups have someone who can Haste...

Originally posted by RedwoodElf:

Assuming you got Ulbrig back in the starter town, he has a necklace that causes whoever wears it to do full damage to swarms. Give that to Lan or Wenduag and they can clear the swarms for you pretty quick.

I like how you just "assume" they have the DLC. Most of the DLC is trash and not worth buying, I see no reason why this newest one would be any different. That necklace sounds OP. How did you people beat the game without it? lol

[Gracey Face]

The simplest way to beat them is just to send forward a tank to soak up the confusion and then blast them from a distance with whatever ranged weapons you have at hand. Even with their damage resistance you should be putting out enough damage to kill a swarm a turn without any kind of speccing in to the ranged weapon you're using and of course if you have specced in to them then you'll be doing even better. This approach is made better if you have pets as the pets can soak up the confusion aura. Not the optimal way of course but it doesn't require any special items, specific builds or preperation. Summons might also be able to soak them, but in my experience the AI most of the time just completely ignores summons so I have never tried this.

As others have mentioned you can use AOEs on them too. Apparently they're vulnerable to blunt weapon damage too but I have personally never tested this. If they are it'd mean using slings would be best for the above.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

I like how you just "assume" they have the DLC. Most of the DLC is trash and not worth buying, I see no reason why this newest one would be any different. That necklace sounds OP. How did you people beat the game without it? lol

The Ulbrig DLC is worth buying if you care about "meta" as basically every major item from it is ridiculously broken in terms of power.

Like there's enchanted things that give you 7 different effects at once that are all individually better than anything in the base game.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

As others have mentioned you can use AOEs on them too. Apparently they're vulnerable to blunt weapon damage too but I have personally never tested this. If they are it'd mean using slings would be best for the above.

They did not include Slings in WotR. And Slingstaves are Exotic. It's rather annoying.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

I like how you just "assume" they have the DLC. Most of the DLC is trash and not worth buying, I see no reason why this newest one would be any different. That necklace sounds OP. How did you people beat the game without it? lol

Ulbrig is super good and the Shifter is interesting. The Wyvern Shifter archtype is super good for Wenduag. And the added spells are interesting with a few super nice ones. Though, I'm not a huge fan of all the Entangle upgrades because you have to take Selective to be able to use them indiscriminately. And the rewards from Ulbrig's quest are super nice.

And how did we do it before? I recall a swarmbane weapon or, as you said, AoE-ing them down and just using normal weapon attacks. Half damage is still fine at that point. When you get to the Locust Swarms later and weapons stop working, you should have far better AoE and other options available.

[Duder]

Originally posted by tiamats4esgares:

Originally posted by Occultist:

Don't be afraid to lower the difficulty then. No shame in it. If you have an earlier save, give her one level (just one!) of crossblooded sorcerer and give both draconic bloodlines (there are 3 which boost fire damage: brass, red and gold), after that, keep progressing her in witch (or loremaster etc)

Also give Bookworm's Headband to your dps character

"lower the difficulty herp derp" isn't very helpful "advice".

I don't recommend putting a point into crossblooded until level 12, after she gets fire snake. You can I guess but this fight isn't THAT hard to need that...

You should have at lest one, preferably more people with Unbreakable Heart, no reason not to.

Originally posted by Duder:

Ascendant Element flinging controlled fireballs and channeling negative energy if I remember correctly is what did it for me this time - on Hard as well
Also as said Ulbrig with the Swarmbane Clasp - or anyone with natural attacks is deadly to a swarm
Haste in every battle possible FYI if you haven't already

Haste is not needed "in every battle ever", not all groups have someone who can Haste...

Originally posted by RedwoodElf:

Assuming you got Ulbrig back in the starter town, he has a necklace that causes whoever wears it to do full damage to swarms. Give that to Lan or Wenduag and they can clear the swarms for you pretty quick.

I like how you just "assume" they have the DLC. Most of the DLC is trash and not worth buying, I see no reason why this newest one would be any different. That necklace sounds OP. How did you people beat the game without it? lol

hence Haste in every battle "possible"
So you just go around knocking people trying to help other people?

[Raikon]

Split your party up. Your going to take massive damage if you have all your range hold ground in one position. Eventually your melee and range will be stacked, and the swarms will hit everyone.

[Raikon]

I fail to see how telling someone to lower the difficulty is not good advice. Considering it is 100% effective no matter what your facing.

[Moo]

I like to put the bookworm head gear and the swarmbane clasp on a smilodon and have him charge the vescavor swarms. He'll get 5 attacks in at full damage and should kill one each time he charges.

[Duder]

Originally posted by Raikon:

I fail to see how telling someone to lower the difficulty is not good advice. Considering it is 100% effective no matter what your facing.

And OP seems to just be asking for general advice. Of which lowering the difficulty is a valid point. Of ways the community deal with the vescavores. Looks like we got the advice police up in here.
And I didn't see them offering much at all, other than the fight wasn't that hard, got elitist and insecurity going on here
9 times out of 10 it's just a drunk person in my experience
I've done it sad to say