Barbarian Lich Build anyone?

[attila-le-hun]

Someone have still a link for this build please? Thank you.

[reidj062]

I'm not sure I see the point of this. You're using completely different stats and you're attacking in a completely different way. Also, Undead use CHA to determine HP, not CON. So every time you bumped up your CON to boost your rage and HP...well, you were wasting attribute points.

Lich mainly appeals to full level prepared casters- clerics and wizards. Can you explain why you want to do this?

[attila-le-hun]

Because i know that a build like this exist but i don't have the link anymore :)

[hilburnashua]

Well, undead are immune to fatigue, so with a rage class they can always rage, even after immediately ending one. That isn't all that useful though since you don't have much of a timer on buffs if your making use of Greater Enduring Spell so you can usually just wait out the 1 minute fatigue. No need to rage cycle with Unchained Barbarians which is the rules Owlcat is using. With Endless Rage mythic feat he has no need to put any points into Con, and doing so would be counterproductive. Could abuse charisma by taking levels in Oracle Nature and at level 3 taking the ability to allow him to use his Charisma bonus in place of his Dex bonus. I don't know if the patch that made it so you cannot stack Charisma and Wisdom bonuses to AC effects the Oracle class. And I think the stacking of Charisma from Oracle and Scaled Fist was fixed too.

[reidj062]

Yeah but you don't get to start off as a lich. You're a mortal until you reach lichdom, and you're not going to do that for a few acts. That means you'll still be sinking points into Con that you will never get back. Yes, there's endless rage mythic feat, but why invest in two different things to defeat the brief debuff from ending rage? You only need endless rage or undeath, not both. Additionally, to say that you don't need to bump CON repeatedly because you have endless rage is silly. CON defines your HP total and your fort saves, both of which you want high as a frontline fighter.

So until you reach lich unlock in act two or three, you're going to have a very pretty but very frail barbarian. I don't get the appeal.

[hilburnashua]

You can always respec after becoming full undead.

I mean, I don't understand the appeal of barbarian lich either, but so long as he is enjoying the game.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Yeah but you don't get to start off as a lich. You're a mortal until you reach lichdom, and you're not going to do that for a few acts. That means you'll still be sinking points into Con that you will never get back. Yes, there's endless rage mythic feat, but why invest in two different things to defeat the brief debuff from ending rage? You only need endless rage or undeath, not both. Additionally, to say that you don't need to bump CON repeatedly because you have endless rage is silly. CON defines your HP total and your fort saves, both of which you want high as a frontline fighter.

So until you reach lich unlock in act two or three, you're going to have a very pretty but very frail barbarian. I don't get the appeal.

You can frontline without taking all the hits. Enlarge person, reach weapon and lunge. You can easily be safe with a melee weapon.

I don't barb much so unfamiliar overall but doesn't the Instinct Barb use WIS, so a 2nd line barb would be fine.

Also just thought about bloodrager. Still got your barb rage but now also an arcane caster for lich

[GunStarX]

Lich barb was really good when dr/ stacked. Invulnerable rager with lich dr/ and vampiric blades was pretty strong

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Lich barb was really good when dr/ stacked. Invulnerable rager with lich dr/ and vampiric blades was pretty strong

Ah, that would make sense. I remember running into that mythic crystal in the lab and making a very angry bug report about 1) it's DR stacking 2)my crystal shortsword not ignoring DR like the weapon said it did,

[ptirodaktill]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Lich barb was really good when dr/ stacked. Invulnerable rager with lich dr/ and vampiric blades was pretty strong

That build no longer function after a series of nerfs. Also playing first 3 acts with it was a nightmare.