What is the benefit of Chameleon strider greater?

[swordfish]

It says you are hard to pinpoint but does not say concealment?

[steventirey]

The description of Chameleon Stride (according to the wiki:

You fade into the background, and while you are not truly invisible, you are hard to pinpoint due to your translucent state. While under the effects of this spell, you gain a +4 bonus on Stealth checks and have concealment from creatures more than 5 feet away (attacks have a 20% miss chance).

The first sentence is fluff - it means nothing at all. The second sentence tells you all the spell does - a bonus on Stealth checks, and concealment from creatures more than 5 feet away. The greater version of the spell has the same exact effects, except it applies to all allies within 10 feet of you instead of just you.

[Jiroa]

It's a crappy blur that turns into a aura crappy blur.

[swordfish]

Originally posted by Jiroa:

It's a crappy blur that turns into a aura crappy blur.

Then it is just another blur

[hilburnashua]

Greater Chameleon Stride is a great spell in tabletop. One, it allows you to blur an entire party so long as they are near the ranger for one 2nd lvl ranger spell. Second, it gives you concealment, which means you can be standing out in the open and use Stealth to gain full concealment, which means you are effectively invisible. Which can be damned helpful if your party needs to sneak up on a prepared position. And that +4 to stealth is untyped making it a big bonus.

[zombygunner]

wait we can sneak up on people in this game?

[steventirey]

Originally posted by 1grimmreefer:

wait we can sneak up on people in this game?

Yes, though it is harder than in other games. Demons tend to have good vision, and the ability to see invisible things.

[zombygunner]

or once anyone enters battle your involved even you should not have been seen.. it was a joke there is no sneak

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by 1grimmreefer:

wait we can sneak up on people in this game?

Yes, though it is harder than in other games. Demons tend to have good vision, and the ability to see invisible things.

The ranger in our tabletop game regulary hits a 45+ stealth check and still gets detected with moderate frequency due to some monsters having very high perception skills and others having things like tremorsense or thoughtsense.

[zombygunner]

my issue is when im sneaking way away from my team mates as soon as they enter battle i do to no way around it

[Duder]

Might be more useful if you had a party consisting mostly of ranged attackers, facing ranged opponents, without anyone who can cast Blur which is superior in this game imo
I was screwing around with this spell myself earlier

[zombygunner]

yeah i started a post about making a flashy character mainly for long range in the hopes that will work for my sneaky halfling