Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Steffan Mar 11, 2023 @ 9:25pm
The reasoning of Seelah and Arushalae on Demonic Path (minor spoilers)
Long story short my character cleared the lab and went to free the prisoners. And then he lost control (my roleplay reasoning) and succumbed to the demon instincts, which led to the death of Targona and the other captives.

I can imagine Woljif & Daeran won't care and Wenduag will be ecstatic but the other two...

There was no reactivity from Arueshelae and especially Seelah. I can imagine Aru being confused but at the same time giving a chance to her friend (I've been kind to her) to get things under control. It still feels a bit weird but it might work. But Seelah... I mean... the "chosen" of Iomedae looks increasingly like a demon (ok, he was a tiefling but still) and now he has slaughtered an angel (with a demonic wing but this is still Targona).

Perhaps you can help me with the roleplay explanation of it.
Originally posted by Crusader993:
Originally posted by steffan8:

More like ideas why she did not react. ;)

The power of friendship has already changed many priorities! ;) Seelah has experienced many adventures with you and that shapes a person and welds people together.

In addition, she is of course interested in the crusade being won in the end. In her eyes, the ends may justify the means. She has recognized your power and in your help she may be the only way to win the crusade against the demons from the Abyss. That's why she bites the bullet and keeps fighting by your side. Because the alternative would be much more cruel: the victory of the Abyss over Golarion!

In short: Seelah never loses sight of the overarching goal and therefore comes to terms with many things that she would not normally accept.
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ShayRey Mar 11, 2023 @ 9:47pm 
Yeah, I don't know. A lot of reactivity that should be there oftentimes just isn't. Also, do you want an entirely made up reaction, or an explanation as to why Seelah doesn't react?
Steffan Mar 11, 2023 @ 9:51pm 
Originally posted by ShayRey:
Yeah, I don't know. A lot of reactivity that should be there oftentimes just isn't. Also, do you want an entirely made up reaction, or an explanation as to why Seelah doesn't react?

More like ideas why she did not react. ;)
Homer Morisson Mar 11, 2023 @ 10:45pm 
Welp, Seelah spends the first four Acts refusing to see what’s right in front of her… as a Paladin of Iomedea, she should have smote (try to smite, really) any Lich/Swarm/Demon MC at the latest after Drezen and the Sword, yet she still runs her rose-colored „I see the best in everyone“-routine…

Given how much Seelah ignores until Act V, makes one wonder if she shouldn’t have lost her powers… but maybe the Hypocrite Goddess wanted to keep a spy close to the Commander? ;)

Another idea: Seelah could have convinced herself that, even though the MC might be „iffy“, the Power she receives from the MC would still enable her to „save more“ or „help more“, or „knit more“, or whatever else is going on in those asinine Paleaddedins.
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Crusader993 Mar 11, 2023 @ 11:46pm 
Originally posted by steffan8:

More like ideas why she did not react. ;)

The power of friendship has already changed many priorities! ;) Seelah has experienced many adventures with you and that shapes a person and welds people together.

In addition, she is of course interested in the crusade being won in the end. In her eyes, the ends may justify the means. She has recognized your power and in your help she may be the only way to win the crusade against the demons from the Abyss. That's why she bites the bullet and keeps fighting by your side. Because the alternative would be much more cruel: the victory of the Abyss over Golarion!

In short: Seelah never loses sight of the overarching goal and therefore comes to terms with many things that she would not normally accept.
Last edited by Crusader993; Mar 11, 2023 @ 11:48pm
Raikon Mar 12, 2023 @ 12:01am 
It costs money. There are a few evil reactions though. While this isn't one of them, evil yaniel does exist, however it should have been more profound.

The best one I've found is evil Horus. That literally changes the game on a random act of violence.
Last edited by Raikon; Mar 12, 2023 @ 12:03am
Malaficus Shaikan Mar 12, 2023 @ 12:16am 
You are winning.
This is the key thing.
For the first time in 70 years the demons are getting there asses kicked so hard the entire abyss feels it.

She also considers you her friend and wants to save you from yourself.

Think of it like this.
If hannabal lector was slaughters nazi's left right and center while eating a human from time to time.
How much pride would you shallow to ensure your gods enemies are defeated.

In short.
She doesnt like it but winning the crusade and dealing with you later is preferable then dealing(And most likely dying a meaningless death) with you now.

A flaw of good people.
They try to save the wicked from themselves.

Related:
I hate ember.
Or more accurate.
I hate how she can talk demons into trying to be good people.
Desna doing that is one thing.
She is a bloody goddess.
But ember is just an insane begger girl that somehow talked an army of demons into joining me, abbandon there ways and being better beings.
Wtf.
Arueshalae is spending decade's to redeem herself.
Ember just has one speech and convince an entire army.
Ugh.
I dont get why people like her.
She is an walking talking plot device.
Last edited by Malaficus Shaikan; Mar 12, 2023 @ 12:17am
Steffan Mar 12, 2023 @ 5:55pm 
Thank you all.

Crusader993... I have not thought you can actually be friends. It makes sense. She has been with the group the whole time, my main tank. We saved Janah together. And it does make sense she wants this crusade to succeed and my... unorthodox messiah has done something unprecedented. He is also CN as of now. And it does seem that the Areelu lab is messing with the minds of its occupants.

Malaficus, I guess that is Ember's magic, actually. My guess is it's more than words. That being said, my main did tell her preaching is useless as he had a bad day. I do plan to support her but we'll see.

@Homer... the more I think, the more I tend to agree she is simply delusional. I think she has latched on her hope to end the demonic threat. As for Iomedae, she is taking her time to weigh the commander up. Gods have eternity after all.

@Raikon... do you mean evil Hogrus Gwerm? My main gets why he stole the wealth of the dead nobles but why he had to behave like the worst of them? And he also believes he is a bad father (and being an orphan, this is a touchy subject for my tiefling). Personally, I think Hogrus' alignment falls into a neutral territory, though.
Last edited by Steffan; Mar 12, 2023 @ 6:00pm
Raikon Mar 12, 2023 @ 6:01pm 
I mean the evil action you can take. If you choose to kill him in his mansion, there is quite the scene and outcome. That is what I meant by evil.
Steffan Mar 12, 2023 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by Raikon:
I mean the evil action you can take. If you choose to kill him in his mansion, there is quite the scene and outcome. That is what I meant by evil.

I get it now.

Too many things can happen in this playthrough... I will simply say Hogrus is not among the NPC my character will defend... unless profitable. He might go out of his way for a fellow tiefling, though. I digress.
Last edited by Steffan; Mar 12, 2023 @ 6:09pm
Stiven Mar 13, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by steffan8:
Long story short my character cleared the lab and went to free the prisoners. And then he lost control (my roleplay reasoning) and succumbed to the demon instincts, which led to the death of Targona and the other captives.

I can imagine Woljif & Daeran won't care and Wenduag will be ecstatic but the other two...

There was no reactivity from Arueshelae and especially Seelah. I can imagine Aru being confused but at the same time giving a chance to her friend (I've been kind to her) to get things under control. It still feels a bit weird but it might work. But Seelah... I mean... the "chosen" of Iomedae looks increasingly like a demon (ok, he was a tiefling but still) and now he has slaughtered an angel (with a demonic wing but this is still Targona).

Perhaps you can help me with the roleplay explanation of it.
Because past act 2, has devs stop care. If you play Lich, and take most for options given to spare meatbags, she is still be babling some dumb non-sense about how you been eating babies, even if Drezen is still full of living and no undead cults is allowed inside ;/
Kel'Ithra Mar 13, 2023 @ 12:01pm 
The game lacks reactivity in general, in many key situations where you'd expect reactions, there is none. It's like they don't exist and the writers couldn't be bothered to write a few extra lines, even if they have no voice-over or just a text bubble.

But Seelah sees the MC as a close friend, going Demon/Lich etc she tolerates for the greater good. But you can and will lose her eventually based on choices, sometimes violently. My first play which was Demon, turned out quite, violent didn't expect it when it happened. Let's just say a fair chunk of the party ended up obliterated from existence.
Steffan Mar 14, 2023 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by Kel'Ithra:

My first play which was Demon, turned out quite, violent didn't expect it when it happened. Let's just say a fair chunk of the party ended up obliterated from existence.

Oh dear. And I thought the death of Lann was brutal. I remember watching the screen for like 10 seconds with a blank stare. WIthout many spoilers, it had some Ramsay Snow (from the show) vibes. I was like "Are we the baddies?"

I guess I have to brace myself and prepare for a plunge into the Abyss. Figurative and literal.

P.S. I consider what happened to the mongrels (and Lann!) and the murder of the angel my main's biggest crimes so far.

Last edited by Steffan; Mar 14, 2023 @ 10:17am
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