Noob question: Any reason not to pick a 2nd class?

[popCorn & coffee]

I see there's usually a lot of benefits from picking a different class, even if you just keep it at level 1. The skills of the class won't be super useful in the long term since they'll be limited to one use per day, but other than that... I think it's good to have more proficiencies and things like that... an extra animal companion or whatever.

I'm leveling up to 3... any reason not to pick a different class for every character instead of upgrading it's current one?

[Raikon]

Well depends on the class.

Demonslayer ranger
Gendarme calvier
Vivisectionist
Mutation warrior
Zen Archer
Shifter
Skald
Kineticist
Sword Saint

These classes have no reason to multiclass

[Schlumpsha]

Really depends on your starting class. Some classes gimp themselves really badly in numerous ways if you don't focus on them. Shaman, Witch and Kineticist are like that.

Monk on the other hand is a popular dip class for a single level or two.

[lemurs2]

Any 9th level caster does not want to take a second class, magus, Skald and maybe Bard does not want a second class. Monk, even as your first class is a class that does generally gain from a second class. Fighter, of course is a great example of grabbing a few levels of something else.

Do not get sucked into the hype though, there is a guy floating around youtube claiming 1000000000 damage builds! Yey!
I watched one of his 'builds'.... for unfair supposedly.... the character at 6th level had a base attack bonus of 1 and no real spell attacks yet.

Theory crafting is fine, but remember you have to play that character through 20 levels not just at 19 and 20.

[Raikon]

No there are many reasons for casters to take a second class. Many enemies have immunities, that dipping into a bloodline can remove. Also casters dont really suffer from getting prestige classes either. No reason to stay pure on a caster.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

These are my reasons not to pick a second class:

1: No reason too.
Sure monk dip is great but it isnt neccery to beat the game.
2: Level 9 spells.
Aka the screw you spells.
3: No sense roleplay wise to do so.

Simply put there are indeed some brokenly overpowered builds.
But honestly you dont need to be brokenly overpowered.
Just overpowered is good enough for most cases.

[popCorn & coffee]

OK, thanks for all the imput guys. I think I'll avoid multiclass at least for companions for now.

Regarding my character, it's a Cavalier, Disciple of the pike... and I was thinking of going Bloodrider. The idea would be to level up both classes, not just a dip. And be able to have a disciple of the pike with mount. I don't know how that would work? It's a good idea?

Even on level 1, the +10 movement seems a nice addition.

On the other hand, they're kind of simmilar classes, so maybe it's not really so beneficial?

[Raikon]

Well the previous patch you could go up to 5 levels in a non pet class and still get a max level pet. I dont know if that was changed this patch, but i notice the pets dont go to level 3 anymore.

[thunda]

Originally posted by popCorn & coffee:

OK, thanks for all the imput guys. I think I'll avoid multiclass at least for companions for now.

Regarding my character, it's a Cavalier, Disciple of the pike... and I was thinking of going Bloodrider. The idea would be to level up both classes, not just a dip. And be able to have a disciple of the pike with mount. I don't know how that would work? It's a good idea?

Even on level 1, the +10 movement seems a nice addition.

On the other hand, they're kind of simmilar classes, so maybe it's not really so beneficial?

Dont worry about it, Cavalier is meh so you are either already playing already on lower difficulty or you will soon learn to lower the difficulty. After you do that, you can focus on your RP build and not worry about whats actually good.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by popCorn & coffee:

OK, thanks for all the imput guys. I think I'll avoid multiclass at least for companions for now.

Regarding my character, it's a Cavalier, Disciple of the pike... and I was thinking of going Bloodrider. The idea would be to level up both classes, not just a dip. And be able to have a disciple of the pike with mount. I don't know how that would work? It's a good idea?

Even on level 1, the +10 movement seems a nice addition.

On the other hand, they're kind of simmilar classes, so maybe it's not really so beneficial?

I suggest avoiding mixing classes until you got a better idea of how the game work.
That said.
I dont think mixing them is worth it.
Mostly because unless your entire party is mounted that extra 10 ft wont mean anything in battle.
And if your entire party is mounted you still move to far from the party getting ambush or you wasted a level getting 10 ft you wont use as your paty cannot keep up.

[popCorn & coffee]

Originally posted by thunda:

Dont worry about it, Cavalier is meh so you are either already playing already on lower difficulty or you will soon learn to lower the difficulty. After you do that, you can focus on your RP build and not worry about whats actually good.

Good news, lol....
nah, I'm playing in core and don't really want to lower it. If my main is meh I'll have to compensate with the companions. I already messed a few things in my build so...

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

I suggest avoiding mixing classes until you got a better idea of how the game work.
That said.
I dont think mixing them is worth it.
Mostly because unless your entire party is mounted that extra 10 ft wont mean anything in battle.
And if your entire party is mounted you still move to far from the party getting ambush or you wasted a level getting 10 ft you wont use as your paty cannot keep up.

Good points. Thanks! yeah, I think I'll stick to single class for now.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Well depends on the class.

Demonslayer ranger
Gendarme calvier
Vivisectionist
Mutation warrior
Zen Archer
Shifter
Skald
Kineticist
Sword Saint

These classes have no reason to multiclass

Mutation Warrior gets his Grand Mutagen at level 19, which means you can sacrifice the offensive crit multiplier capstone for a defensive WIS/CHA to AC feature of the Monk or Scaled Fist dip. I use Lann as a Muttwarrior19/ZenArcher1 almost all the time.

Sword Saint pairs very well with Duelist, because the two iterations of Canny Defense stack, so you can get INT to AC twice. Again, you sacrifice offense for defense.

While basic Skald has little reason to multiclass, since you want to scale the rage powers, Court Poet Skald subclass has no reason to not multiclass past level 16 since Insightful Conteplation INT/CHA bonuses do not scale past that level. I use a CourtPoet16/ScaledFist1/Loremaster3 as my tank on unfair.

Originally posted by lemurs2:

Any 9th level caster does not want to take a second class

A bizarrely untrue statement. Loremaster levels are extremely useful on almost any arcane caster. In fact, very few arcane casters want to remain pure. Something like a BFT or a Diviner have a very strong incentive to go for their capstone, but virtually all other wizards and sorcerers benefit massively from loremaster. And you can also make solid fighter/mage builds with level 9 spell casting capability like Wiz5/EK10/Loremaster5. I turn my Nenio into this every time I play a full arcane caster myself.

Other wizard builds may want to dip sorcerer to get access to bloodline arcanas. A ray caster or AoE damage dealer Elemental Specialist wants to dip Cross-blooded Sorcerer to get two of the Red/Brass/Gold draconic bloodlines while an Enchanter, Necromancer and even Illusionist Wizards want to dip Cross-blooded Sorcerer for the Undead and Fey/Arcane bloodlines.

[Raikon]

Yeah I edited sword saint to be in there. Student of war/ duelist go extremly well with sword saint, but I still think going pure is a better option for a newer player. I wouldnt want to sacrfice a x1 multiplier for some AC though. Its not like the mutagen warrior is even lacking AC in the first place.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Yeah I edited sword saint to be in there. Student of war/ duelist go extremly well with sword saint, but I still think going pure is a better option for a newer player. I wouldnt want to sacrfice a x1 multiplier for some AC though. Its not like the mutagen warrior is even lacking AC in the first place.

Everyone but a fully dedicated dex+wis/cha/int tank is lacking AC when Inevitable Darkness gets a +116 attack bonus.

[RandomDude2018]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Well depends on the class.

Demonslayer ranger
Gendarme calvier
Vivisectionist
Mutation warrior
Zen Archer
Shifter
Skald
Kineticist
Sword Saint

These classes have no reason to multiclass

Haven't played this for a while now but:

Demonslayer Ranger is a great 1 lvl dip for martials.
Vivi is a great 1 level dip for a mutagen and 1 dice of sneak attack.
Mutation warrior is good if you want to have a full BAB progression and get the mutagen. Important if you go for Legend and want some extra attacks. Don't know how Legend works with Transofrmation now. For mercs i would never go full 20 of Mutation Warrior.
Skald - the basic version. I only go to 16 with Skald. Then 2 Paladin levels, 1 Demonslayer Ranger and 1 Hellknight.
Sword Saint only to get the touch attack thingy. You don't need more levels after that imho.

[RandomDude2018]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by Raikon:

Yeah I edited sword saint to be in there. Student of war/ duelist go extremly well with sword saint, but I still think going pure is a better option for a newer player. I wouldnt want to sacrfice a x1 multiplier for some AC though. Its not like the mutagen warrior is even lacking AC in the first place.

Everyone but a fully dedicated dex+wis/cha/int tank is lacking AC when Inevitable Darkness gets a +116 attack bonus.

With Last Stand AC doesn't matter if you kill it in 1 or 2 rounds.