Question regarding spirited charge/mythic charge etc

[leyasu888]

I have a mounted character who is built for charging. ie has all the feats and equipment that buffs charges. Would the extra damage from charging only work if that character is the one charging or would it also work if the mount he is on charges?

Regards

[Fuzzyballs01 ꦙ]

A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.

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[leyasu888]

Originally posted by Fuzzyballs01:

A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.

literally the first thing on google

Does not answer my question.

Both the mount and the character mounted can do a charge action. Which character doing the charge will trigger the bonus damage on the charge?

1) The mount
2) The mounted character
3) Both

That is the question i am asking.

[Drake]

it's 4) No one.

Mythic charge doesn't work if you're mounted because it's not normal charge action. In a mounted charge, the mount does the charge and the char does the attack at the end instead.

So for mythic charge to apply, you would need the mount to have mythic charge, and mounts can't have mythic abilities, so there is no way to trigger the bonus.

Mythic charge only works if you're on foot.

[leyasu888]

Originally posted by Drake:

it's 4) No one.

Mythic charge doesn't work if you're mounted because it's not normal charge action. In a mounted charge, the mount does the charge and the char does the attack at the end instead.

So for mythic charge to apply, you would need the mount to have mythic charge, and mounts can't have mythic abilities, so there is no way to trigger the bonus.

Mythic charge only works if you're on foot.

I see. What about spirited charge?

At least now i know that mythic charge would be useless for my mounted character.

Thanks

[AlexMBrennan]

A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.

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If you had spent 30s playing the game you would know that lance is not a weapon type found in the PC game WotR which would lead a smarter person to conclude that the obviously wrong information you found maybe doesn't apply here.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Fuzzyballs01:

literally the first thing on google

That's an awfully smug way to finish a post which didn't even answer the question (which I suspect you didn't even understand).

Originally posted by leyasu888:

I see. What about spirited charge?

Last time I checked, it worked even if you use the charge action on the mount. However, this was many patches ago and it's quite possible something has broke since (a lot of changes were made to charge actions). If no one comes with an answer soon, I'll retest and let you know.

[leyasu888]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

Originally posted by Fuzzyballs01:

literally the first thing on google

That's an awfully smug way to finish a post which didn't even answer the question (which I suspect you didn't even understand).

Originally posted by leyasu888:

I see. What about spirited charge?

Last time I checked, it worked even if you use the charge action on the mount. However, this was many patches ago and it's quite possible something has broke since (a lot of changes were made to charge actions). If no one comes with an answer soon, I'll retest and let you know.

Thank you. I wish owlcat would implement an area where you could test out mechanics on a test dummy. I play almost exclusively on real time with pause and it becomes a nightmare to test how some mechanics actually work in game

[Drake]

Well about spirited charge, it's a mount feat, so it makes sense that it would work when riding a mount.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Drake:

Well about spirited charge, it's a mount feat, so it makes sense that it would work when riding a mount.

The question is a little more subtle than that: when a character is mounted, you can choose the character and use their charge ability to initiate a charge. The mount will automatically charge as well (i.e, the mount will also attack when they reach the target). However, you can also choose the mount and give them the charge action. In this case, the character riding the mount will also automatically initiate a charge (i.e, it will attack when they reach the target). The question is if both ways of charging benefit from the mounted charge feat. I believe the answer is yes, but haven't tested it in a year or so.

[leyasu888]

Originally posted by Drake:

Well about spirited charge, it's a mount feat, so it makes sense that it would work when riding a mount.

Yes, I believe that it is pretty obvious that you must be mounted to benefit from the spirited charge feat, the thing is both the mount and the mounted character can both utilize the charge ability and the timing in the round actually varies, in that a mounted character is still considered as 2 separate entities.

What i want to find out is whether the bonus damage from the feat is activated if the mount is the one charging if the mount's turn in the combat comes first and charges in. Would the mounted character still benefit from the spirited charge? or vice versa if the mounted character's turn comes first and he charges in on his mount. Or would it not matter if either of them charges in first.

Because if the bonus damage from the charge only activates if the mounted character is doing the charge then it changes how i need to build my mount in order to maximize the chance of benefiting from the spirited charge in that i will need to max the initiative of the mounted character and try to make the initiative of the mount as low as possible so that the mounted character gets his action before the mount so his charge is the one that goes off first and the mount is still waiting to do it's charge when the charge occurs. Because if you do not toggle both charge abilities on both the mount and the mounted character while waiting for the character to charge the mount would automatically move towards the enemy and if it gets too close to the target the charge would not be activated anymore.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by leyasu888:

Originally posted by elbentzo:

That's an awfully smug way to finish a post which didn't even answer the question (which I suspect you didn't even understand).


Last time I checked, it worked even if you use the charge action on the mount. However, this was many patches ago and it's quite possible something has broke since (a lot of changes were made to charge actions). If no one comes with an answer soon, I'll retest and let you know.

Thank you. I wish owlcat would implement an area where you could test out mechanics on a test dummy. I play almost exclusively on real time with pause and it becomes a nightmare to test how some mechanics actually work in game

I have just retested. Unfortunately, I was wrong. If the rider uses the charge ability, they get the x2 multiplier to all attacks made on the charge. If the mount is the one that actually performs the charge action, then the rider does *not* get double damage on their attacks. I either remembered incorrectly or this was changed sometime over the last year or so.

[leyasu888]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

Originally posted by leyasu888:

Thank you. I wish owlcat would implement an area where you could test out mechanics on a test dummy. I play almost exclusively on real time with pause and it becomes a nightmare to test how some mechanics actually work in game

I have just retested. Unfortunately, I was wrong. If the rider uses the charge ability, they get the x2 multiplier to all attacks made on the charge. If the mount is the one that actually performs the charge action, then the rider does *not* get double damage on their attacks. I either remembered incorrectly or this was changed sometime over the last year or so.

Thank you for testing. This means that in order to make a RTwP charge mounted character initiative management will be key if i want to use spirited charge

[ope84]

Originally posted by leyasu888:

Originally posted by Drake:

it's 4) No one.

Mythic charge doesn't work if you're mounted because it's not normal charge action. In a mounted charge, the mount does the charge and the char does the attack at the end instead.

So for mythic charge to apply, you would need the mount to have mythic charge, and mounts can't have mythic abilities, so there is no way to trigger the bonus.

Mythic charge only works if you're on foot.

I see. What about spirited charge?

At least now i know that mythic charge would be useless for my mounted character.

Thanks

Mythic charge works when mounted , just tested it and it get the double / triple charge bonus

[mk11]

Last patch had:

"Fixed an issue that caused a mount to not always make an attack during "Charge Attack" and other charge attack issues. Now, a charge attack, regardless of whether the mount or rider uses it, is always a single attack that receives the appropriate bonuses. If the rider makes a rush attack while the rider is holding a ranged weapon, the rider makes a full attack without the charge bonuses;"

Anything from the web before the latest patch is irrelevant.

It should now be that it doesn't matter which does the charge but like all things Owlcat implementation may have bugs.