Trip feats and inherit trip question

[Sin]

When running a pet with default trip like wolf and leopard, do you have to activate the bully trip ability in order to get the bonuses from it (+2 difficulty on trip checks) and other related bonuses from feats like furies fall, or do they apply to the natural trip abilitie allowing you to use your multiple attacks?

[IceLancer]

Trip from bully is auto applied to attacks.
Trip ability is self casted.

[Sin]

Messaggio originale di IceLancer:

Trip from bully is auto applied to attacks.
Trip ability is self casted.

I might be missunderstanding something here:
Pets which trip with one of their attacks do still get the other attacks.

Pets which trip via Trip from Bully have to spent their attacks for it and only attack once.

(Assuming this is correct and not a missunderstanding)

When I combine the two (wolf -> subclass bully) do I get the +2 to trip checks on the default trip of the pet or do I have to actively use the bully one? Or from what you responded: Does taking the bully subclass overwrite everything and you just auto cast the Trip from bully at a +2 difficulty and lose your other attacks?

[ajfusch]

There is a button for trip if you took the feat.
There's also the chance for trip without that special attack. No idea if it stacks if you use the button, since I prefer to use charge instead. Trips the enemies often enough for me.

[elbentzo]

Messaggio originale di Sin:

Messaggio originale di IceLancer:

Trip from bully is auto applied to attacks.
Trip ability is self casted.

I might be missunderstanding something here:
Pets which trip with one of their attacks do still get the other attacks.

Pets which trip via Trip from Bully have to spent their attacks for it and only attack once.

(Assuming this is correct and not a missunderstanding)

When I combine the two (wolf -> subclass bully) do I get the +2 to trip checks on the default trip of the pet or do I have to actively use the bully one? Or from what you responded: Does taking the bully subclass overwrite everything and you just auto cast the Trip from bully at a +2 difficulty and lose your other attacks?

Wolves, leopards, dogs and gore attacks from boars (supposed to be from other animals too like elk but is bugged) make a trip attempt automatically. The ``trip" feat does three things:
1. Gives you a passive +2 to all trip attempts, including those given freely to wolves and such.
2. Gives you access to an active ability called ``trip", which gives you a trip attempt for a standard action.
3. Gives you access to more feats like the teamwork trip feat.

Wolves et al won't benefit from 2 (because they already get a free attempt with each attack so why waste an action on a trip attmept when they can just attack?) but will benefit from 1 and 3.

[Sin]

Messaggio originale di elbentzo:

Messaggio originale di Sin:

I might be missunderstanding something here:
Pets which trip with one of their attacks do still get the other attacks.

Pets which trip via Trip from Bully have to spent their attacks for it and only attack once.

(Assuming this is correct and not a missunderstanding)

When I combine the two (wolf -> subclass bully) do I get the +2 to trip checks on the default trip of the pet or do I have to actively use the bully one? Or from what you responded: Does taking the bully subclass overwrite everything and you just auto cast the Trip from bully at a +2 difficulty and lose your other attacks?

Wolves, leopards, dogs and gore attacks from boars (supposed to be from other animals too like elk but is bugged) make a trip attempt automatically. The ``trip" feat does three things:
1. Gives you a passive +2 to all trip attempts, including those given freely to wolves and such.
2. Gives you access to an active ability called ``trip", which gives you a trip attempt for a standard action.
3. Gives you access to more feats like the teamwork trip feat.

Wolves et al won't benefit from 2 (because they already get a free attempt with each attack so why waste an action on a trip attmept when they can just attack?) but will benefit from 1 and 3.

Thank you, that was the information I was looking for and what I hoped it would be. :)