Underground Chemist is beyond underwhelming

[Yelje]

I don't know if anyone mentioned it but unless you choose the Legend Mythic Path and stack all those Sneak Attack dice the Underground Chemist subclass is very disappointing. Here are the reasons why it's so:

Brew Potions bonus feat is useless because this class has no spellcasting.

Chemical Weapons is useless because how many times will you be throwing fire/acid flasks? Not to mention a single level of Alchemist completely overrides this benefit.

This whole subclass could have been reduced to a single Rogue Talent called Precise Splash Weapons as it exists in the game.

If it lost even more class features (weapon finesse, finesse training, trap finding, danger sense etc.) but instead got some minor bomb progression and Rogue Talents, it would have been viable.

I hope Owlcat tweaks this subclass soon. I really like the concept.

[lemurs2]

Shoot, 75% of the archs are useless.

[mbradtke]

well, most archeytypes are based on the official rulebook i guess, so not really their fault that some are just not very good, i agree however that all should be viable and tweaked if necessary in case they have no use at all and only disadvantages

[Hoo the fool]

Originally posted by mbradtke:

well, most archeytypes are based on the official rulebook i guess, so not really their fault that some are just not very good, i agree however that all should be viable and tweaked if necessary in case they have no use at all and only disadvantages

You're mostly right, but there are a few archetypes made by Owlcat. Furthermore, Owlcat tweaked several Archetypes existing in Rulebook already. Lastly, some Archetypes just have been partially implemented.

So, buffing the weaker Archetypes are not impossible for Owlcat. I hope they will enhance Assassin oneday.

[Astral Projection]

Uh yeah. There's over 200 classes in this game (after expansions).

Check Slandered Gaming series for what classes are good:

https://youtu.be/9JKzVhpzL_8

[hilburnashua]

It's a pretty terrible class in tabletop too.

[Yelje]

There's another subclass of Rogue called the Chemist in tabletop which is vastly superior and does what Underground Chemist supposed to do properly. Unfortunately it's not a Paizo class.

The joke with the Underground Chemist is that choosing it will put you underground.

[Rago]

IMO, Underground Chemist is bad in Wrath of the Righteous because of the powercreep and the number of fights we have.

In a regular Pathfinder tabletop game (starting from the level 1, standard stats) it's fun to play. Numbers are much smaller, including the number of enemies (that matters, because you have to pay, somehow, for you throwables).

[Janthis]

Where's that quote about this game offering you 1000 options, 990 of which are crap... :P

[jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi]

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

Where's that quote about this game offering you 1000 options, 990 of which are crap... :P

Only if you are playing on a superhard difficulty. My advise don't play on the harder difficulties play on either a lower or custom difficulty

[pete3great]

Originally posted by jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi:

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

Where's that quote about this game offering you 1000 options, 990 of which are crap... :P

Only if you are playing on a superhard difficulty. My advise don't play on the harder difficulties play on either a lower or custom difficulty

My rule of thumb is that if it isn't viable on core and below, it's probably pretty awful. And I think the majority are viable on core and below.