So the new Master shapeshifter buff.

[Jiroa]

Did they forget that Alchemist exist when giving Animal aspect the Polymorph tag? now you can give your entire party the +4 form bonus to physical stats by just using infusions to cast animal aspect on them starting at level 4.

[elbentzo]

And giving them all a mythic ability... Which is not only impossible before the end of act 1 (level 5-6), but also a huge waste of one of your most valuable resources for most companions. Obviously it depends on the build, but most party memebers will have much better stuff to do with a mythic ability.

[Jiroa]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

And giving them all a mythic ability... Which is not only impossible before the end of act 1 (level 5-6), but also a huge waste of one of your most valuable resources for most companions. Obviously it depends on the build, but most party memebers will have much better stuff to do with a mythic ability.

It's really not a waste considering many builds used to use Kitsune just to be able to get that buff, for fighters you really don't need a lot of mythic power beyond Ever ready and Last stand.

Honestly for none-caster getting a +4 physcial ability scores is a better boost then most mythic powers.

If you are a physical attacker picking Master shapeshifter as a extra mythic power over a mythic feat is a better choice that 80% of the mythic feats.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Jiroa:

Originally posted by elbentzo:

And giving them all a mythic ability... Which is not only impossible before the end of act 1 (level 5-6), but also a huge waste of one of your most valuable resources for most companions. Obviously it depends on the build, but most party memebers will have much better stuff to do with a mythic ability.

It's really not a waste considering many builds used to use Kitsune just to be able to get that buff, for fighters you really don't need a lot of mythic power beyond Ever ready and Last stand.

Honestly for none-caster getting a +4 physcial ability scores is a better boost then most mythic powers.

If you are a physical attacker picking Master shapeshifter as a extra mythic power over a mythic feat is a better choice that 80% of the mythic feats.

First, I didn't say it was always a waste. Yes, it's good for some. But it will be a waste for many (I believe most) builds. More or less any build that isn't very physically focused, and even for physical builds it's not always a good choice. Yes, it's now a better choice than let's say Weapon Focus (Mythic), which gives you +1 or +2 AB, while +4 to all physicals would give you +2 AB, +2 damage and +2 hp per level. But those kinds of abilities (like Weapon Focus (Mythic)) were already the worst of the bunch, and it's only now relevant if you have an alchemist or a BFT.

Besides, just beacuse there are ``many builds" that do something doesn't mean it's the best choice. In any case, I wasn't saying the ability hasn't been buffed -- of course it has. All I was saying is that ``giving your entire party the bonus... starting at level 4" was not possible, and not a good strategy. You'd probably have 1-2 party members for whom it'll be worth it, and it very well might not be your first pick (meaning it will come at MR 2 or later, so waaay later than level 4).

[Raikon]

A while back I specifically tested if animal aspect gave any bonuses with master shapeshifter, and it didnt. Are you being thoeritical? Its a neat idea though to give everyone +4 dex, con, strgnth. Drovier druid also does the same thing party wide.

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by Raikon:

A while back I specifically tested if animal aspect gave any bonuses with master shapeshifter, and it didnt. Are you being thoeritical? Its a neat idea though to give everyone +4 dex, con, strgnth. Drovier druid also does the same thing party wide.

It's part of the 2.1 beta if you opt into the update branch.

• Aspect of the Wolf, greater Animal Aspect, Aspect of the Falcon, Aspect of the Bear, Aspect of the Stag, Blessing of the Salamander, Frightful Aspect, Geniekind, Fiery Body, Ice Body, and Iron Body spells now benefit from Master Shapeshifter feat and got the polymorph descriptor;

[Raikon]

Theres a new beta out? I dont think i saw any information regarding that.

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Theres a new beta out? I dont think i saw any information regarding that.

Yes? There are two huge update logs in the News tab. All in all 400 changes or so. Already downloaded it myself.

[hilburnashua]

Ah, good to see they finally fixed master shapeshifter in regard to the polymorph spells that didn't actually give you and animal/dragon form.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Jiroa:

Did they forget that Alchemist exist when giving Animal aspect the Polymorph tag? now you can give your entire party the +4 form bonus to physical stats by just using infusions to cast animal aspect on them starting at level 4.

Honestly Alchemist is class that got short end of stick. There are very few Mythics feats that synergizes with Alchemist.

[pete3great]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Honestly Alchemist is class that got short end of stick. There are very few Mythics feats that synergizes with Alchemist.

I don't think there are any class specific items either.

[Jiroa]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Jiroa:

Did they forget that Alchemist exist when giving Animal aspect the Polymorph tag? now you can give your entire party the +4 form bonus to physical stats by just using infusions to cast animal aspect on them starting at level 4.

Honestly Alchemist is class that got short end of stick. There are very few Mythics feats that synergizes with Alchemist.

While that's true they already have some powerful synergy whit the Azata mythic path, on the other hand now Ranger and Hunter's can get this buff by just casting Aspect of the falcon and Demon Slayer/ Divine hound are two classes that definitely did not need to be any stronger then they already are.