Pathfinder: WOTR or Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition Trilogy

[☆ Akazu_]

I am a complete noob when it comes to DnD , I have never used the ruleset.
I have played Divinity: OS2 which I loved. I loved the world and especially the fact that I can easily use my controller to play the games.

I would like your opinion concerning this game, is it really hard to learn the ruleset, also how is the story ?

I own both Pathfinders, PoE ( played half of it a while ago), Tyranny and Baldur's Gate EET, Disco Elysium.

I could play Baldur's Gate on my switch if I want to use the controller or maybe M+KB with the EET completely modded version.

I would like to know what would be good as a newcomer to Dungeon&Dragons. I care a lot about world building, story and development of characters and finally combat.

[UIE First Citizen]

Originally posted by ☆ Akazu_:

I am a complete noob when it comes to DnD , I have never used the ruleset.
I have played Divinity: OS2 which I loved. I loved the world and especially the fact that I can easily use my controller to play the games.

I would like your opinion concerning this game, is it really hard to learn the ruleset, also how is the story ?

I own both Pathfinders, PoE ( played half of it a while ago), Tyranny and Baldur's Gate EET, Disco Elysium.

I could play Baldur's Gate on my switch if I want to use the controller or maybe M+KB with the EET completely modded version.

I would like to know what would be good as a newcomer to Dungeon&Dragons. I care a lot about world building, story and development of characters and finally combat.

I would go with BG EE + mods because companions are better plus there are more of them. You can have different companions depending if you want to do good or evil playtrough. There are more companion who are less extreme on good or evil side. Plus there isn't any wokeness bs like in this game, i mean wotr.

[anfindel13]

Originally posted by UIE First Citizen:

Originally posted by ☆ Akazu_:

I am a complete noob when it comes to DnD , I have never used the ruleset.
I have played Divinity: OS2 which I loved. I loved the world and especially the fact that I can easily use my controller to play the games.

I would like your opinion concerning this game, is it really hard to learn the ruleset, also how is the story ?

I own both Pathfinders, PoE ( played half of it a while ago), Tyranny and Baldur's Gate EET, Disco Elysium.

I could play Baldur's Gate on my switch if I want to use the controller or maybe M+KB with the EET completely modded version.

I would like to know what would be good as a newcomer to Dungeon&Dragons. I care a lot about world building, story and development of characters and finally combat.

I would go with BG EE + mods because companions are better plus there are more of them. You can have different companions depending if you want to do good or evil playtrough. There are more companion who are less extreme on good or evil side. Plus there isn't any wokeness bs like in this game, i mean wotr.

Note that to UIE, anyone that doesn't share his precise value system or does not act in his "approved fashion" is woke. To the rest of us, it's just folks resembling your average population mix.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Originally posted by UIE First Citizen:

I would go with BG EE + mods because companions are better plus there are more of them. You can have different companions depending if you want to do good or evil playtrough. There are more companion who are less extreme on good or evil side. Plus there isn't any wokeness bs like in this game, i mean wotr.

Note that to UIE, anyone that doesn't share his precise value system or does not act in his "approved fashion" is woke. To the rest of us, it's just folks resembling your average population mix.

I'm guessing he hates SoD expansion then. TBF I didn't really like it either, but mostly because the overall writing was just bad and companion treatment is inconsistent Where some fan favorites get full attention while others are just there barely better than faceless NPCS. Dungeon Design is amazing at points though.

[Obdilord]

Originally posted by ☆ Akazu_:

Thank you guys for your replies.
At the end I will be playing Badur's Gate Trilogy
Going from BG1+DLC+BG2 using the same game with the EET mod.

From what I read, it is advisable to play in the core difficulty with no need to go higher. Pathfinder games seems to be even harder in that respect. I will do a little bit of reading to see how the combat works.
My next to play in the list may be one of the two pathfinders. They are incredibly cheap in my country ( through epicgames ). I got Baldurs Gate games for 1.5$ each and Pathfinder:K for the same price.

I happen to care more about the lore, story and the development of characters more than combat. I love choices and consequences when I role play.
Combatwise, If needs be I could even lower the difficulty if it isn't up to my taste.

The other guy is right. Pathfinder is notably far more difficult than any other rpg. Enemies have bloated stats and force you to pre-buff nearly every fight. However, on the other hand I do believe that those games also give the player the greatest creativity in terms of builds.

If only the balance of those games were better.

[Shahadem]

Buy BG2, not 1.

The two games are so different that they might as well be two different games. BG2 is great, BG1 is bad.

[Kinoringan]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Buy BG2, not 1.

The two games are so different that they might as well be two different games. BG2 is great, BG1 is bad.

I wouldn't say BG1 is bad, first BG1 is a low level RPG (you start at level 1). It makes it feel like you are playing an ap/pnp while BG2 is a high level game (you start lv8,9,10? Can't remember) thus depending on your class and build you can destroy BG2 enemies right of the bat. Second the areas are interconnected unlike BG2. Things get real exciting when you finally get to step foot in Baldurs Gate city. Hell, you don't even get to visit Baldurs Gate city in BG2 despite having Baldurs Gate name in the title. Third you get to know the origin of some of the characters and what happened to them and thus know why they become like that in BG2. Forth, you get to export your BG1 character into BG2. How great is that? Fifth, there aren't that many d&d isometric rtwp RPGs out there, so why not buy both?

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Buy BG2, not 1.

The two games are so different that they might as well be two different games. BG2 is great, BG1 is bad.

Buy both. BG2 is literally a continuation of BG1. You can also import your character and pantaloons from BG1 into BG2.

[leyasu888]

I have played the BG trilogy on and off over the past 20+ years. It is an amazing game and one of the best games ever in my opinion. The only gripe i have with it is that even with the enhanced edition of BG1 and BG2 it is still a 20+ year old game and it shows.

Pathfinder is not as good as the BG trilogy in terms of character design, banter and story but it is in my view close enough in quality and is made on a more modern engine so it definitely looks nicer and there are quite a few new modern quality of life improvements over the BGT and has been definitely worth my money and time buying and playing it.

I would love to one day see a remake of the BGT to look like the Pathfinder games.

[anfindel13]

Certainly play both BG 1 and 2 - there is a reason they are considered the gold standard for RPG's. BG 1 provided companions of most shapes and colors, a solid and interesting main quest line, well-balanced low level character level growth, and a ton to do before ever gaining access to Baldurs Gate itself and once accessed the city itself was huge.

BG 2 allows you to continue the same character at the level attained in BG 1, carrying over a good chunk of gear as well. The character arc goes "epic" for that time period (D&D 2.0ish) and the game introduced the concepts of romances, strongholds and the like to computer RPG's. And the EE version provides a new, crossover set of quests that covered the original time gap between PG 1 and BG 2.

Companions, enemies, major NPC's and the like cross between both games, and their roles do not always remain static - they can exhibit growth as well.

The downside is the age - it's been decades since they came out, and the modern engine Pathfinder uses provides more bells and whistles, while it's use of modified 3.0 rules is far superior than D&D 3.0/3.5 provided (and more so than the disastrous and well - maligned 4.0).

I think of it like this - BG 1/2 is a 58 Corvette - Pathfinder a 2020 era 'vette. Both were awesome cars, and I'd happily have both. Just don't give me those ugly ass early 2000's monstrosities !!

[Peelsepuuppi]

Originally posted by Kinoringan:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Buy BG2, not 1.

The two games are so different that they might as well be two different games. BG2 is great, BG1 is bad.

I wouldn't say BG1 is bad, first BG1 is a low level RPG (you start at level 1). It makes it feel like you are playing an ap/pnp while BG2 is a high level game (you start lv8,9,10? Can't remember) thus depending on your class and build you can destroy BG2 enemies right of the bat. Second the areas are interconnected unlike BG2. Things get real exciting when you finally get to step foot in Baldurs Gate city. Hell, you don't even get to visit Baldurs Gate city in BG2 despite having Baldurs Gate name in the title. Third you get to know the origin of some of the characters and what happened to them and thus know why they become like that in BG2. Forth, you get to export your BG1 character into BG2. How great is that? Fifth, there aren't that many d&d isometric rtwp RPGs out there, so why not buy both?

Originally posted by leyasu888:

I have played the BG trilogy on and off over the past 20+ years. It is an amazing game and one of the best games ever in my opinion. The only gripe i have with it is that even with the enhanced edition of BG1 and BG2 it is still a 20+ year old game and it shows.

Pathfinder is not as good as the BG trilogy in terms of character design, banter and story but it is in my view close enough in quality and is made on a more modern engine so it definitely looks nicer and there are quite a few new modern quality of life improvements over the BGT and has been definitely worth my money and time buying and playing it.

I would love to one day see a remake of the BGT to look like the Pathfinder games.

BG1 is like an open world exploration RPG. I love how the map tileset is visually connected, it feels like you are exploring one big area: https://i.redd.it/2jy3ffi9k6r11.jpg

The pacing is pretty bad because of it and the story elements are rather sparsely placed. I can see some people getting really bored of it because of it because the really good part (Baldur's Gate City) Comes rather late in the game. The quests also feel far more like your basic fetch quests. Writing just isn't as interesting in BG1, so that can be dissapointing to people.

BG2 focus much more on the writing and has better quest design, but the world and map design feels somewhat disjointed, because you kind of just "teleport" from place to place, but some of the areas you do explore are way more interesting, Quest design and writing in general is also far better and the RPG mechanics have far more options. Those are the reasons people generally love BG2 and not BG1.

They are both worth it, but I wouldn't recommend people forcing themselves to play BG1 if it gets boring for them, because BG2 is worth experiencing with or without BG1.