Sorcerer + ???

[Towik]

Hello there o/
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929554932
What Should i go with, i kind of feel like simple Sorcerer will kind of suck.

Starting a 2nd char, i kind of got stuck on 1st one (crusade)

[Immortal Reaver]

It seems like ranged sorcerer, so it needs nothing. Maybe Loremaster pretsige if you want. Any multiclass early on will hurt spell progression, lowering already lower progression of spontanious caster.
Only thing you need is to pick good spells.

[MjKorz]

If you want to play Sorcerer, always play Seeker, start with some non-Arcane bloodline (Undead is the best choice for Necromancers, Enchanters and Illusionists; Red/Brass/Gold or Elemental Fire for Evoker), then take the Arcane bloodline via Second Bloodline mythic feat later.

If you're playing a DC caster (including an Evoker focused on dealing damage with AoE spells), always aim for the Sorcerer15/Loremaster5 split.

I wouldn't build a ray caster on the basis of a Sorcerer.

This is the most brief overview I can give you.

[Towik]

This sorcerer is the one that is pre-build. I only changed appearance and made her an atheist. I feel like sneak attack + jolt, acid splash kind of sucks. No archers either.
other than that I'm fine with anything.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by Towik:

This sorcerer is the one that is pre-build. I only changed appearance and made her an atheist. I feel like sneak attack + jolt, acid splash kind of sucks. No archers either.
other than that I'm fine with anything.

Don't use premade characters or the autolevel feature, it's all garbage. If you have to make mistakes (and using those features is a mistake), then at least make your own.

Sneak attack on rays is a trap, because Bolster Metamagic bonus damage massively overshadows the damage bonus from sneak attack on a proper ray caster while being incompatible with sneak attack.

If you're interested in how to make a ray caster, you might be interested in reading this thread:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/3758850762512251296/

[Towik]

I might have to respe, right the moment it's possible... currently i cannot even kill that water large elemental (and that female W... whatever her name was)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929764540
maybe i can go bard or something, i think they need charisma

[BlueBangkok]

Any pure caster will "kind of suck" at low levels, that's the nature of low level casters. Don't split your sorcerer levels with classes that do not give you sorc caster levels... you will slow down your spell progression. You might even lose level 9 spells if you split too much.
Unless you are going for a mixed sorc/melee build (which is what Dragon Disciple / Eldritch Knight is for), there is nothing wrong with pure sorcerer. Loremaster prestige will work but there is really no need for it.

[IRuleAll]

best sorc is the sylvan sorc, because you get an animal companion that scales like a druid. that way you can take all the metamagic you want and still be able to move and cast in the same turn. go with lich mythic, and you can basically easily solo the entire game on unfair. having a full level animal companion from the start also helps at the beginning when you dont have many spells and you are a weak low level caster

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Any pure caster will "kind of suck" at low levels,

Not true. A proper DC caster with proper party synergy can:

1. Greaselock the Water Elemental in the prologue with 100% success on unfair difficulty, if you give Lann a Cleric level. The Water Elemental will literally have no chance of getting up.

2. Grease Prologue and Chapter 1 mob packs with good success rates above 50% on unfair difficulty.

3. Glitterdust all the Chapter 1 bosses on unfair difficulty with 100% success rate, making them flat-footed and easy to hit (Seelah autohits) AND imparting them a 50% chance of missing their attacks due to resultant blindness: Vrock, Nabasu, Succubus.

4. Greaselock Minagho in the Gray Garrison on unfair difficulty without even trying (mythic power buff for +50 spell DC is funny).

How is this weak lmao? I can post you the proof, if you want.

Originally posted by IRuleAll:

best sorc is the sylvan sorc

Sylvan sorc is a garbage caster and is literally irrelevant, because he wastes a whole bloodline on a meme pet that ends up having less AC than any properly built tank.

[BlueBangkok]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Any pure caster will "kind of suck" at low levels,

Not true. A proper DC caster with proper party synergy can:

1. Greaselock the Water Elemental in the prologue with 100% success on unfair difficulty, if you give Lann a Cleric level. The Water Elemental will literally have no chance of getting up.

2. Grease Prologue and Chapter 1 mob packs with good success rates above 50%.

3. Glitterdust all the Chapter 1 bosses on unfair difficulty with 100% success rate, making them flat-footed and easy to hit (Seelah autohits) AND imparting them a 50% chance of missing their attacks due to resultant blindness: Vrock, Nabasu, Succubus.

4. Greaselock Minagho in the Gray Garrison on unfair difficulty without even trying (mythic power buff for +50 spell DC is funny).

How is this weak lmao? I can post you the proof, if you want.

You can solo the game on unfair without any gear if you want to. I don't care, and I don't need any proof. The original statement that low level pure casters suck was OP's, not mine, that's why I used "kind of suck" in quotes.

Also, there is no 100% success rate on glitterdust as they can still roll a natural 20 on the blind save, and they will. Also it seems like you need to be higher level than OP is to get glitterdust.

I agree that sylvan sorc is garbage and an overrated internet celebrity. Pick literally any other bloodline, OP, please.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

You can solo the game on unfair without any gear if you want to.

Post your solo unfair single round unfair vescavor queen kill. Don't even care if you're naked or not. Being able to beat the game and being able to beat the game efficiently are two different things. Protip: if you need more than 1 round to kill or disable any boss in the game starting from the Prologue, you're not playing efficiently.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

The original statement that low level pure casters suck was OP's

Wrong, you can't even read. Maybe you should try doing that before embarrassing yourself next time?

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

that's why I used "kind of suck" in quotes.

And you were absolutely wrong and still are.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Also, there is no 100% success rate on glitterdust

Yes. There is.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

as they can still roll a natural 20

No, they can't. Neither on SR, nor on the save:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929844685

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929844947

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Also it seems like you need to be higher level than OP is to get glitterdust.

You can reach level 3 before the water elemental and the water elemental can be greased, glitterdust is not needed. Glitterdust is needed when an enemy is immune to Prone and is thus immune to Grease.

You have no clue what you're talking about and any further opinions you have may be immediately and strictly ignored.

[pete3great]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

You can solo the game on unfair without any gear if you want to.

Post your solo unfair single round unfair vescavor queen kill. Don't even care if you're naked or not. Being able to beat the game and being able to beat the game efficiently are two different things. Protip: if you need more than 1 round to kill or disable any boss in the game starting from the Prologue, you're not playing efficiently.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

The original statement that low level pure casters suck was OP's

Wrong, you can't even read. Maybe you should try doing that before embarrassing yourself next time?

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

that's why I used "kind of suck" in quotes.

And you were absolutely wrong and still are.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Also, there is no 100% success rate on glitterdust

Yes. There is.

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

as they can still roll a natural 20

No, they can't. Neither on SR, nor on the save:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929844685

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929844947

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Also it seems like you need to be higher level than OP is to get glitterdust.

You can reach level 3 before the water elemental.

You have no clue what you're talking about and any further opinions you have may be immediately and strictly ignored.

I genuinely want to know why you start a fight in every thread.

[Raikon]

Mj views things in a different way. Its funny though when he keeps quoting one round. Cause one round can mean like 12 seconds. Before your enemy acts, is one round.

[Raikon]

Someone charging with pounce, then winning the iniative, thats a lot of attacks in one round. Or a sohei axe thrower, jumping the gun, then auto winning the iniative, thats like what 28 attacks, in one round.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2929844685

Apologies if I'm being stupid here but how is that a 100% success chance? The Nabasu got a 22 needing 24 with a roll of 11 so wouldn't 13+ have saved it giving a 60% success rate?

[Huge Beard Guy]

Originally posted by pete3great:

I genuinely want to know why you start a fight in every thread.

Same here.

My guess is social isolation and generally being unhappy in life.

It's got to the stage that I just scroll past his responses.