Atheist Azata .. what has being Desna Lackey have to d with Rebellion

[SteveTheMad]

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I am a Atheist Warlock (| i meant Wizard , no idea why I type Warlock ).. I know the gods exist but want no dealings with them .. As I am Chaotic Good, and go with the way I am feeling at the time .. I chose Azata as they are supposed to be REBEL`s .. but from what I seen so far the appear to be Desna`s Lackeys!! ... Now as an atheist chaotic good rebel ( she can go and jump in the deepest lake in Elysium for all I care ). I get stuck with a spy Early Sunset, that do not get an option to throw out of my base ( there was a passing comment that he ignored ). Then for some reason I get to behave like a druid - invigorating environments and I am surrounded by buttterflys , what the hell has that got to do with Rebellion.,, So how is being a Desna lackey - Druid am I supposed to be a Rebel???!!

Is there away within the story to get rid of Sunset, the butterflys and get away from Desna? and maintain the Mythic course as a Rebel Azata? Still working through Chapter 3 ( None of the other Mythic appealed to me. read up on them and the later choice is going to be carry on as Azata or become legendary.. but would lose my Dragon ).

[Drake]

Azatas are not rebels, I don't know where you read that. They are celestials of freedom, they literally live on the plane of desna, they have nothing to do with atheists (especially since they are celestials, so they're like angels). If you want true rebellion, you should have picked trickster, that is pure chaos.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by SteveTheMad:

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I am a Atheist Warlock..

Wrong game. No Warlock here.

Important what you need to say is to rebel againts what?

Azata has theme of freedom and acceptance. So Azata "rebels" againts military code, established conventions and traditions (like by knighting mimics, orphans and treants). Also Azata is only one that has more dealing with a god. Rest have dealings with demigods(=Demon lords power level). Other than Iomedae, that wants to have dealing with you in act 5 on every path. Sunset will no matter what "leave" in act 5, and has small appearance in act 4.

Try Trickster, it tells conventional military strategy to go ef itself, and starts randomly pointing at map for positions, and gives chaotic nonsense orders to troops.

Swarm also tries to eat everything, so you can say it rebels againts whole word. It is also path that nobody, not even gods, wants you to take.

[Schlumpsha]

Luckily for you, Azata *can* rebel against Desna. By becoming a Devil later on, that is. Nothing screams of rebellion more than switching the Chaotic Good side in favor for the Lawful Evil one of Hell. Maybe not the path you have envisioned at first. But it's nevertheless an option open to Azatas.

If you want to experience what true rebellion tastes like: try Demon next time. There are lots of ways to rebel against various characters in power.

[SteveTheMad]

@ Immortal Reaver... I meant Wizard.. No idea why I typed Warlock.
@ Drake... https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Azata

I did think about Trickster, Swarm ( though that's out of the window now I think) and Lich.. did not want to play an undead and Im guessing the game would not allow you to play as a Chaotic Good Lich. as for some reason you are seen to be evil.. I see no reason why a Lich can not be a immortal powerful spell caster without using Necromancy., which i assume is why you are seen as evil.

So what your saying there is no real choice for a Rebellious Atheist Chaotic Good Wizard.. as Passed on Trickster as like to help people, do the odd evil deed ( chaotic choice ) , and use trickery to resolve a situation ( though not all the time ). So being Atheist means nothing within the game other than an odd conversation.

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by SteveTheMad:

Lich.. did not want to play an undead and Im guessing the game would not allow you to play as a Chaotic Good Lich. as for some reason you are seen to be evil.. I see no reason why a Lich can not be a immortal powerful spell caster without using Necromancy., which i assume is why you are seen as evil.

Contrary to D&D, Pathfinder doesn't support the existence of non-evil liches by worldbuild design. There are no arch-liches or baelnorns to be found throughout Golarion. To become a lich you have to fulfill a certain amount of very specific vile requirements. None of which can be called anything but evil. And all of them revolve around necromancy, warping your soul with negative energy and yanking said soul out of your body into an magical item.

Sole exception are psychic liches who utilize psychic magic rather than arcane one. Though that doesn't make them any less evil. Just that they fuel their warped and megalomaniacal existence with memories of past done cruelities instead.

[Shahadem]

Should have been an Atheist angel or demon or devil or gold dragon. None of those require you to follow a god. In fact in order to follow ANY of the mythic paths you give Iomedae the middle finger when she comes down and asks you to give up your super powers that bring you near her level.

And the PC can be a good lich since the PC chugs a potion to become a lich, they don't do any of the evil things that one normally has to do to become a lich.

[erian]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

And the PC can be a good lich since the PC chugs a potion to become a lich, they don't do any of the evil things that one normally has to do to become a lich.

Doesnt really matter that part. The state of undeath is what does it. You can slow it slightly if you have incredibly strong will,but you will end evil fast. In game itself it is seen in Zacharius. He had best intentions, vast knowledge, strong will. He knew that something like that can happen and made oath. And when he became lich only oath remained.

[kitsune87]

Originally posted by SteveTheMad:

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I am a Atheist Warlock (| i meant Wizard , no idea why I type Warlock ).. I know the gods exist but want no dealings with them

How....
Ok this might be simantics but I feel like the gods are known to exist in D&D and pathfinder so maybe Atheist isn't the best term, maybe Anti-diest? it just doesn't seem to make sense to me, especially when concerning a goddes as "hands on" as Desna