tried winter witch...

[Aluvian Darkstar]

had a half finished Azata Witch+Winter Witch playthrough (i stopped when that bug with Early Sunset in previous patch hit) and i must say i did not enjoy it at all....

There seems to be very limited frost spell selection for a witch, had like 2 attack spells i been using up to chapter 4. In the end i found myself using all sorts of CC spells instead of causing any sort of winter hell i been imagining=\

feels like a sorcerer\wizard would do better when mixing up with Winter Witch prestige, but honestly there are far better and more enjoyable options for them

but maybe i am an idiot and i missed something along the way. has anyone else tried Winter Witch and knows a good build focused on frost spells?

[Hex]

I mean, elemental dmg builds are pretty much all the same. Fire has Hellfire Ray and like Controlled Fireball. Your best spells are AoE tho, so you kinda need selective spell to not kill your entire party when using cone of cold and stuff.

[Aluvian Darkstar]

Originally posted by Hex:

I mean, elemental dmg builds are pretty much all the same. Fire has Hellfire Ray and like Controlled Fireball. Your best spells are AoE tho, so you kinda need selective spell to not kill your entire party when using cone of cold and stuff.

yeah, i know about selective spell. but thing is, while one can build pretty much insteresting fire witch (Ember with gear that gives her additional spells from arcan spellbook), frost doesn't seem to get same love. spell list very limited. i got Ice Storm, yeah, which is like the worst spell in the game that does almost nothing =\

[Hex]

Originally posted by Aluvian Darkstar:

Originally posted by Hex:

I mean, elemental dmg builds are pretty much all the same. Fire has Hellfire Ray and like Controlled Fireball. Your best spells are AoE tho, so you kinda need selective spell to not kill your entire party when using cone of cold and stuff.

yeah, i know about selective spell. but thing is, while one can build pretty much insteresting fire witch (Ember with gear that gives her additional spells from arcan spellbook), frost doesn't seem to get same love. spell list very limited. i got Ice Storm, yeah, which is like the worst spell in the game that does almost nothing =\

There are items in the game that give you more spells. Like https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Ring+of+the+Boreal+Might is essential.

[Aluvian Darkstar]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by Aluvian Darkstar:

yeah, i know about selective spell. but thing is, while one can build pretty much insteresting fire witch (Ember with gear that gives her additional spells from arcan spellbook), frost doesn't seem to get same love. spell list very limited. i got Ice Storm, yeah, which is like the worst spell in the game that does almost nothing =\

There are items in the game that give you more spells. Like https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Ring+of+the+Boreal+Might is essential.

oh i see. i didn't know it exists. might be a game changer. though it sucks that its so far away in the game

thanks

[Hex]

Originally posted by Aluvian Darkstar:

Originally posted by Hex:

There are items in the game that give you more spells. Like https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Ring+of+the+Boreal+Might is essential.

oh i see. i didn't know it exists. might be a game changer. though it sucks that its so far away in the game

thanks

Yeah, the fire equivalent can be bought from the camp once you leave Kenabres. It's so dumb. All it does is expand your spell list, you still need to have enough levels to cast them so it's not like it breaks the game in any way to get it early.

[Player#2201]

Not sure why winter witch was added to begin with. The campaign it's from was ideal for it; one of my tabletop players made good tactical use of the ice sculpting features. In wotr it just seems like an easy stretch goal they thought they could implement, as opposed to a genuinely interesting feature.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Player#2201:

Not sure why winter witch was added to begin with. The campaign it's from was ideal for it; one of my tabletop players made good tactical use of the ice sculpting features. In wotr it just seems like an easy stretch goal they thought they could implement, as opposed to a genuinely interesting feature.

Pretty much all the stretch goals were implemented badly. Worst offenders being the mythic paths.

[jutschi78]

Try one lvl dip into wizard, that archetype, than can turn every energy damage into a selected energy type. That may help

[ayrtep]

The advantage of winter witch is that it gets lots of free feats that boost saving throw and character level when casting cold spells.

Usually witches loose five feats to wizards in exchange for their hexes, however the winter witches bonus feats brings it to a par with wizards. So a winter witches cold spells should be as powerful as a wizards.

The poor spell selection is a worry, my advice take three levels of Loremaster for a couple of extra cold spells - mass icy prison and cone of cold.

I think the main problem with winter witch is one of expectations. It does not play the way it is portrayed. But with the right expectations it can be a decent choice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/wzf6yf/winter_witch_build/

[Hex]

Originally posted by ayrtep:

The advantage of winter witch is that it gets lots of free feats that boost saving throw and character level when casting cold spells.

Usually witches loos five feats to wizards in exchange for their hexes, however the winter witches bonus feats brings it to a par with wizards. So a winter witches cold spells should be as powerful as a wizards.

The poor spell selection is a worry, my advice take three levels of Loremaster for a couple of extra cold spells - mass icy prison and cone of cold.

If you're gonna start taking 5 different classes then what's the point. taking dips is a trap in majority of cases that completely defeat the point of certain classes. If you need to be lvl20 to have the stuff you wanna play with, what's the point? The game is over.

[Schlumpsha]

The Rod of Mortiferous Blizzard[pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com] reward via completing the Through the Ashes DLC really helps out in that regard. Changing three spells per rest into cold spells without needing to multiclass is a pretty big deal for any Winter Witch.

Ring of the Boreal Might is also quite good. But solely an option for the Ley Line Guardian archetype. It being the only spontaneous Witch archetype with access to Witch patrons. And hence meeting the requirements to enter Winter Witch. The ring sadly doesn't work on non-spontaneous casters.

[ayrtep]

Does the rod of mortiferous blizzard change spells so they get the cold descriptor, or does it just change to cold damage. The former is great for WW, the later not so much.