Did OwlCat fix performance issues with the Unity engine application plaguing Kingmaker?

[Immutable]

Just wanted to ask community if it's finally the time to buy the game a year post launch. I couldn't finish Pathfinder Kingmaker last chapter of the campaign due to fps dropping to 17 fps on RTX 3090 on 5800x. Answering noobs and amateurs ahead - no, my drivers are fine, my setup is fine and every other game don't have a performance issues so I am asking only those of you who spend 200hr+ and deep into or finishing the campaign - how is the performance of the Wrath of the Righteous, does it deterioriate as you progress the campaign same as Kingmaker? Did owl cat finally optimize their garbage collection? In the first pathfinder the particle effects didn't seem flush a buffer(along with multiple other game mechanics[e.g. save games and world inventory] eventually clogging the game) and yet GPU usage would linger at 30% lmao, so deep into the game high level AOE spells would bring fps from around 140 to 17 fps after about a 20 minute fight, after game restart it would temporarily revert to original fps value and then go back to 17 fps after several intense AOE spell fights again, in the last chapter of Kingmaker every fight was with godlike elfs so every fight was intense. Since I see literally zero changes to the graphics I can only assume that the game core is still fundamentally broken - please confirm. It could be CPU handling issue as well and played with afinity and thread limits to no avail. Since most people who play don't pass 40 % campaign threshold the question targeted at completionist audience. I didn't have issues in first up until 60% of the campaign progress and it started deterioriating around time you save Nok Nok in goblin village.

Did owlcat care to fix fundamental game problems? Please honest answers and hardcore D&D players only, also if you are of those - "human eye can't perceive more than 60hz" - please leave this thread and join flat earth society immediately otherwise I can wait for full BD3 release which runs perfectly and forget OwlCat.

What OwlCat did in terms of creativity and pushing the limits is unquestionable but their game engine choice is appaling.

Thank you,

[Dondu]

ask unity... for performance issue, as for why unity? its cheaper

[darkholyPL]

Originally posted by Dondu:

ask unity... for performance issue, as for why unity? its cheaper

No, it's not. Not anymore at least. UE is cheaper, believe it or not.

Also to answer OPs question:
No, it's noticeably worse than Kingmaker, at least in my experiance.

[ppaladin123]

There is one tileset (the red-tinted dungeon with the blood rain (?)) in Treasure of the Midnight Isles that causes my fan to go bonkers and everything to slow down. Everything else seems fine/smooth for me oddly enough.

[Immutable]

Thank you chaps, I will give it a go

[Left-Hand Path]

Regarding performance:

I play in turnbased exclusivly and my experience in this mode is smooth. You mentioned particle effects of high level AoE spells and naturally in TB they don´t overlap. All in all it runs better then Kingmaker for me, then again I did upgrade my hardware since then.

Regarding core issues .. well, there is a thread here on steam somewhere where someone listed all the classes which are bugged currently.

And they managed to break the progression with the latest patch but hotfixed it yesterday. If you have a save before running into said issue, for me it´s back to the start .. again.

To repeat it here: I ´ve yet to finish one playthrough without having to restart and/or wait several weeks for a fix.

If you are willing to endure that go for it, game and story is great.If you do pick it up ,better install Toybox then, you gonna need it.

[Immutable]

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

Regarding performance:

I play in turnbased exclusivly and my experience in this mode is smooth. You mentioned particle effects of high level AoE spells and naturally in TB they don´t overlap. All in all it runs better then Kingmaker for me, then again I did upgrade my hardware since then.

Regarding core issues .. well, there is a thread here on steam somewhere where someone listed all the classes which are bugged currently.

And they managed to break the progression with the latest patch but hotfixed it yesterday. If you have a save before running into said issue, for me it´s back to the start .. again.

To repeat it here: I ´ve yet to finish one playthrough without having to restart and/or wait several weeks for a fix.

If you are willing to endure that go for it, game and story is great.If you do pick it up ,better install Toybox then, you gonna need it.

thanks, what is toybox?

[Aluvian Darkstar]

Originally posted by Immutable:

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

Regarding performance:

I play in turnbased exclusivly and my experience in this mode is smooth. You mentioned particle effects of high level AoE spells and naturally in TB they don´t overlap. All in all it runs better then Kingmaker for me, then again I did upgrade my hardware since then.

Regarding core issues .. well, there is a thread here on steam somewhere where someone listed all the classes which are bugged currently.

And they managed to break the progression with the latest patch but hotfixed it yesterday. If you have a save before running into said issue, for me it´s back to the start .. again.

To repeat it here: I ´ve yet to finish one playthrough without having to restart and/or wait several weeks for a fix.

If you are willing to endure that go for it, game and story is great.If you do pick it up ,better install Toybox then, you gonna need it.

thanks, what is toybox?

seek on nexusmods. it's a swiss army knife, has cheats in it, non cheaty QoL stuff and in depth editing of quests\etudes in case something gone broken (or in case you did not like some quest outcome due to "bad" decisions)

[blessku]

Playing on RTX 3080 I lowered my resolution from 4k to 1920x1080 since my GPU temp was arond 80 celsia or fans were too noisy but FPS seems decent no major droppings.

[harisenvin]

just bought it. zero issues at all in performance, 1440p/60fps all day at max settings. 10700k with a 6700 XT , 70 - 80% gpu utilization and around a comfy 60 - 65 degrees. but im only on act 2.

[Telariust]

Originally posted by Immutable:

..Please honest answers..

Mr.Feeling, no problem.
I just have an answer for you. Your own.
I just replaced a few of your words.. with your own words from this topic.
Enjoy your reflection.

Originally posted by Immutable:

24 Apr 2022

..I can recognise this writing pattern anywhere, anytime - passive-aggressive replies..

..Similarly to your other points, which would be asked by someone who has an obsessive attachment to a game released over 5 years ago. That doesnt appear healthy at all...

..The fact that you ask these questions implies you know the answers to them, the knowledge which is absolutely useless to memorise because as I mentioned before, the game itself tells you about 99% of problems and you get a rough idea. In many cases, you wont even need a restart to rectify a problematic situation. If you use "Help" as well, you can address the remaining gaps. This means either your life isnt exciting(which given the world situation must be), you still cant afford a decent GPU, or you have a medical condition("..AOE spells would bring fps from around 140 to 17 fps after about a 20 minute fight, after game restart it would temporarily revert to original fps value and then go back to 17 fps after several intense AOE spell fights again.." - i mean, this doesnt appear to be healthy question at all, this is micro-micro management. If you the campaign progress too far, you will notice that some FPS isnt working properly and this is beauty of the game - as it keeps you engaged while making you think of "why" ... but this is all deducible and part of the game, not your unhealthy compulsion knowledge of game micro dynamics). Are you counting max efficiency performance? Do you count FPS each time after several intense AOE spell fights? ROFL. What did you try to achieve here? Show your supreme knowledge of Unity engine? Then, as I have replied that none of this is important to enjoy the game you went full aggro-rampage? ROFL again mate.

I think this is the perfect answer, I couldn't beat the author.
Mr.Feeling (or rather Mr.ENazi ?), i have to admit, your new Avatar is amazing.
It reveals you even more than our last conversation.

[IceLancer]

Originally posted by Telariust:

I think this is the perfect answer, I couldn't beat the author.
Mr.Feeling (or rather Mr.ENazi ?), i have to admit, your new Avatar is amazing.
It reveals you even more than our last conversation.

All the answers are BEFORE enhanced edition.
And invalid.
I am playing the game on rather old cpu. Zero issues. NO slowdowns after long gaming. No slowdowns in long fights. No weird fps drops.

I'm on 1440p screen , intel 2500k , nvidia 1660 super.

A year ago game had those issues!
After 40ish min it would start to lag terribly.
None of it exist today.
People even play the game on steamdeck without problems.

This topic should be deleted as it no longer reflects state of the game. And instead just cause people to get wrong idea.

[IceLancer]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Something Owlcat can't fix is peoples inability to form sentences/paragraphs ...

And some people have nothing constructive to say. So they go around internet policing other people english language.

Here is a little correction for you as well. When you are talking on online forums , you should be quoting or at least tagging someone's name. Unless you are making a statement about your self.

[Telariust]

Originally posted by IceLancer:

All the answers are BEFORE enhanced edition.

You see, the Steam moderators have a policy of removing evidence and gagging.
(in developed countries this is called "hiding" and "complicity", but here it's normal)
Player "Immutable" tried to prove that he answered correctly, but proved that he was an EN nationalist.
As a result, all the evidence was carefully erased by the moderator, and the EN-nationalist complains to the Steam community about the problems of the Unity Engine.
Now, if I re-post the conversation log, I will be guilty of Stalking.
If you (IceLancer) wanted to, you could find the full version of the log, which is publicly available.
(saving this is my civic responsibility in the Steam community)

I already wanted to be satisfied with the previous message ..
However, leaving IceLancer without answering his question would be inexcusable!
And the new posts in the thread have created a great vector to continue.

Originally posted by Babbles:

Something Owlcat can't fix is peoples inability to form sentences/paragraphs ...

You don't even know how right you are!
It's a pity I can't publish all of his non-paragraphs here as evidence.

Originally posted by IceLancer:

..And some people have nothing constructive to say. So they go around internet policing other people english language..

Guess who loves it?.. Of course the theme creator!

Originally posted by Immutable:

...
Your "Wasted" reference at the end is coming from GTA series? So you can play Pharaoh well - but not GTA :-D. Just for your reference, "wasted" at the end of a post doesnt make sense or insult anyone reading it. "Wasted" word is only used in a context of a party, e.g. "I was sooo wasted yesterday after ten shots of tequilla", rubbish collection or resources waste, e.g. "We have wasted so much time on this useless project". It doesnt have any insult value. See how much you are learning about life with me, more useful knowledge..

"Don't build a block longer or it won't be served." - this aint English mate, whatever you meant. Stop using google translate and hire yourself a good English tutor. Maybe thats your core problem. This is also the reason why no one will read your guide in reverse google translate. The same aggro gibberish will come out. Sounds like "LOVE HULK OR HULK WILL SMASH".

"Crushing defeat" - ahaha. ROFL, stooooop uuuuusssssiiiiinnnnnnggg google translate, I cant stop laughing.
...

Now, How do I justify this offtopic does this relate to the Unity Engine?
If the Steam moderators changed their "hidden" policy to "open and available", then the members of the Steam community would be more protected, knowing in advance who they met with in the message history ...
I FEEL (like Mr.Feeling) that at that time the Unity Engine developers were certainly inspired by this and improved the performance of their product.

By the way, Mr.ENazi, you promised to show the removed topic to your "friends from Moscow".
If you are at a loss, I can send you a copy.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by IceLancer:

Originally posted by Babbles:

Something Owlcat can't fix is peoples inability to form sentences/paragraphs ...

And some people have nothing constructive to say. So they go around internet policing other people english language.

Here is a little correction for you as well. When you are talking on online forums , you should be quoting or at least tagging someone's name. Unless you are making a statement about your self.

Please, please educate us all on internet etiquette ... you actually read that block of letters?

[BlueBangkok]

I can also confirm that performance got much better since release. I would definitely recommend giving the game a try.
It's still very CPU-bound, but runs much better than it used to. I'd regularly have stutters and sub-60 fps in big late game fights on the release version, but now everything is butter smooth (12700K + RTX 3070).