I needed to vent

[Pure Yang]

I don't know anyone else who has played this game so who can relate to what I am suffering from right now? Let me explain:

I came across a critical decision where Imodoae and Nocticula asked do I want to keep my power or give it up. I had spent the majority of the game with 2 overall purposes: Purpose 1 was I wanted to become an extremely powerful demon. Purpose 2 was to figure out how to romance the beautiful Succubus Arushalae... And this is where we come to my current issue..

Maybe I role play too hard? I really begin to feel that I am the character I have spend these hundreds of hours playing as, and so imagine my surprise when I would be faced with this kind of Ultimatum from Arushalae, this woman straight said that although she loved me, she could not consent to me remaining as a Demon, and the Angel Imodoae at the same time offered me a way to cleanse these powers from me but hold up!

What do you mean cleanse these powers!? I have spent the entire game to be a Demon! You telling me I have to choose between my greatest ambition and my greatest emotional attachment in the game?

I saved right before I made the choice and I tried both the option of telling everyone I will stay a Demon, but then my girl Arushalae leaves Immediately. Then I tried picking the Legend path, but that felt terrible and like a betrayal. It felt like a betrayal because everyone else in my party gets to keep their powers and mythic abilities but only I lose mine? wtf? Also isn't it a bit hypocritical for a Succubus to condemn me for choosing the Demonic path? This is just so unfair!

This crossroads alone has stumped me for days, I can't even proceed in the game now lmfao. Yeah this is how deep it gets. I need Pathfinder therapy!

[steventirey]

Unless you corrupt her, Arue is trying to leave her demonic past behind her. She is trying her best to not be a succubus any more. Of course she isn't going to support you becoming a demon. And if you do corrupt her, as a succubus she isn't interested in an actual relationship.

Certain companions will disagree with you choosing certain mythic paths and will leave.

[Aluvian Darkstar]

seriously, what else did you expect. an ascending demon on her long road of redemption would never understand how mortal can decide to fall for same demonic powers that made her do all this terrible ♥♥♥♥ through her long life

[Shahadem]

Yeah the demon path is poorly implemented.

There is no reason for Aru to leave you just because you are a demon. Especially since she tries to get other demons to follow the good path. Well if you are good alignment then she shouldn't leave you. And if she doesn't want to follow the bad path of becoming evil then she should refuse to join an evil character or leave as soon as your alignment changes to evil.

Aru did all the evil things not because demonic power causes someone to be evil but because she was created evil.

Choosing to become a demon isn't choosing to become evil. You can gain demonic powers and still be good, especially since the player wasn't created as a demon, they just gave themselves demonic power.

[StarcraftJunkie]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Yeah the demon path is poorly implemented.

There is no reason for Aru to leave you just because you are a demon. Especially since she tries to get other demons to follow the good path. Well if you are good alignment then she shouldn't leave you. And if she doesn't want to follow the bad path of becoming evil then she should refuse to join an evil character or leave as soon as your alignment changes to evil.

Aru did all the evil things not because demonic power causes someone to be evil but because she was created evil.

Yeah, no. This logic fails pretty hard. She has no problem with trying to redeem demons. You're not an already existing demon that might be led to the path of good. You're a mortal, with a choice between good and evil, law and chaos, ACTIVELY CHOOSING to follow the path of evil and chaos and to become the ultimate representation of such (a demon). You're following the literal opposite of her redemption path in the most personally repugnant to her way possible. It would be poor implementation if she didn't have a problem with this and didn't bail out once you were fully committed to that path.

Choosing to become a demon isn't choosing to become evil. You can gain demonic powers and still be good, especially since the player wasn't created as a demon, they just gave themselves demonic power.

In WotR (and Pathfinder in general), yes, yes it is. Choosing to become a demon is intrinsically evil in that setting. In WotR, taking demonic power and "using it for good" is choosing any of the other good or neutrally aligned paths of mythic power. Taking that mythic power and following the path of the demon is wallowing in that chaos and evil - it's not unwillingly having a demon wing tacked on you, or just getting a few demonic powers through some unorthodox means, it is knowingly following a path that will turn you into a demon. That's chaotic and evil in this setting.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by StarcraftJunkie:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Yeah the demon path is poorly implemented.

There is no reason for Aru to leave you just because you are a demon. Especially since she tries to get other demons to follow the good path. Well if you are good alignment then she shouldn't leave you. And if she doesn't want to follow the bad path of becoming evil then she should refuse to join an evil character or leave as soon as your alignment changes to evil.

Aru did all the evil things not because demonic power causes someone to be evil but because she was created evil.

Yeah, no. This logic fails pretty hard. She has no problem with trying to redeem demons. You're not an already existing demon that might be led to the path of good. You're a mortal, with a choice between good and evil, law and chaos, ACTIVELY CHOOSING to follow the path of evil and chaos and to become the ultimate representation of such (a demon). You're following the literal opposite of her redemption path in the most personally repugnant to her way possible. It would be poor implementation if she didn't have a problem with this and didn't bail out once you were fully committed to that path.

Choosing to become a demon isn't choosing to become evil. You can gain demonic powers and still be good, especially since the player wasn't created as a demon, they just gave themselves demonic power.

In WotR (and Pathfinder in general), yes, yes it is. Choosing to become a demon is intrinsically evil in that setting. In WotR, taking demonic power and "using it for good" is choosing any of the other good or neutrally aligned paths of mythic power. Taking that mythic power and following the path of the demon is wallowing in that chaos and evil - it's not unwillingly having a demon wing tacked on you, or just getting a few demonic powers through some unorthodox means, it is knowingly following a path that will turn you into a demon. That's chaotic and evil in this setting.

Nope you are 100% wrong.

You aren't choosing an alignment by choosing a mythic path. Nothing prevents you from choosing the good options on the Demon mythic pact thus proving conclusively you are wrong. You absolutely can be a good demon because you aren't really a demon. You simply have the appearance of power of a demon.

We have to understand what is happening based on what is actually happening. Since nothing prevents you from being good as a demon then being a demon is not embracing evil.

We can also look at the mythic paths as something that happens to your character outside of their control. You absolutely can view the demon mythic path as the natural and necessary result of the Nahydrion crystals where it gives you the powers and appearance of a demon as it changes your body but not your soul. This makes total sense since the Nahyndrion crystals are crystalized demon lord power. It doesn't make sense for the other mythic paths to even exist other than to provide replayability to the game no matter how little sense the other mythic paths make.

Aru should stick by you as a demon because she wants to make sure you remain on the path of a good alignment.

[Buyung Kilat]

Thank you for your vent. This is useful tip on romancing Arueshalae. I'll definitely go the Azata route for her romance walkthrough in the future. I hear it's the best path especially if you also worship Desna.

So even though she's a demon, your romance is bound to fail if you're an evil guy, huh? Got it.

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Buyung Kilat:

Thank you for your vent. This is useful tip on romancing Arueshalae. I'll definitely go the Azata route for her romance walkthrough in the future. I hear it's the best path especially if you also worship Desna.

So even though she's a demon, your romance is bound to fail if you're an evil guy, huh? Got it.

You can be evil and romance her. You just can't be a demon, lich, or swarm. She will either ultimately leave if you choose demon (and she wasn't corrupted) or be uninterested in a romance (if she was corrupted), and liches and swarms will end all romances (with the added bit of liches potentially sacrificing their lover in order to gain power.

[Buyung Kilat]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by Buyung Kilat:

Thank you for your vent. This is useful tip on romancing Arueshalae. I'll definitely go the Azata route for her romance walkthrough in the future. I hear it's the best path especially if you also worship Desna.

So even though she's a demon, your romance is bound to fail if you're an evil guy, huh? Got it.

You can be evil and romance her. You just can't be a demon, lich, or swarm. She will either ultimately leave if you choose demon (and she wasn't corrupted) or be uninterested in a romance (if she was corrupted), and liches and swarms will end all romances (with the added bit of liches potentially sacrificing their lover in order to gain power.

Yeah, I know about true lich being non-romanceable. I kinda went thru it.

But a demon can't romance Arueshalae? I did not expect that. I bet neither will a lot of other gamers like the OP.

[$CRWD]

You should be able to manually force Arueshalae's - along with any other companion's -romance triggers using Toybox, which means with a bit of modding, you won't have to choose between your Demonic mythic path and her. The "Arueshalae_..." triggers are under the etudes section of Toybox.

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Certain companions will disagree with you choosing certain mythic paths and will leave.

I keep hearing this, but it actually never happened to me. Granted, i haven't played swarm yet, but even with Lich i didn't have any defections. Or Demon (i expected regill to bail out, but it didn't happen). Maybe it's a bug, idk

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

Originally posted by steventirey:

Certain companions will disagree with you choosing certain mythic paths and will leave.

I keep hearing this, but it actually never happened to me. Granted, i haven't played swarm yet, but even with Lich i didn't have any defections. Or Demon (i expected regill to bail out, but it didn't happen). Maybe it's a bug, idk

If you take Lich up to Mythic 8 then Seelah leaves permanently and at 9 you can murder everyone else (and you pretty much have to murder any existing love interest to get the "good" Lich outcome).

Mythic Trickster makes Regil want to leave but you can convince him to stay.

Everyone (even the evil companions) leaves if you go swarm. Wenduag says something like, "Wow that is awesome but uh that's even too hardcore for me...I am not sticking around to be your lunch." Nocticula is utterly disgusted with you too amusingly.

[EvilDonut]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

I keep hearing this, but it actually never happened to me. Granted, i haven't played swarm yet, but even with Lich i didn't have any defections. Or Demon (i expected regill to bail out, but it didn't happen). Maybe it's a bug, idk

If you take Lich up to Mythic 8 then Seelah leaves permanently and at 9 you can murder everyone else (and you pretty much have to murder any existing love interest to get the "good" Lich outcome).

WAT.

This NEVER happened to me. I played lich before EE though, so perhaps it was bugged indeed

[Kiru]

Such a surprise indeed. The girl talking nonstop about nothing else than how disgusting her past existence as a demon was and keeps trying to be more goody-two-shoes in everything she does than actual angels would... does not feel attracted to someone who embraces the transformation into a demon after all. Who would have guessed that. :P

Seriously though folks, Arue is trying comically hard to be the paragon of virtue to the point where she literally locks herself into a cell when she feels attracted to someone because duh, maybe she could fall back into old habits again. If that doesnt tell you she is not going to have a relationship with another demon - willfully made through mythic powers or otherwise - I have to worry for your love life.

Even by the barest stretch of imagination there never was any pairing built on more opposite paths in life than her and a mythic demon hero. And ironically enough... she actually takes you aside and tells you exactly that when your demon powers begin to show. Im not remembering the exact wording but to paraphrase her warnings:

"You are a mortal on the path to the abyss while I am on the path to elysium. If you keep following this way we will have to follow different roads."

There was no underhanded surprise in her decision. She told you long ago that she was not going to be dragged back down by your decent to the pit and unless you force her to revert to her old ways again thats what she is going to do. Duh. A woman who actually leaves you like she said she would if you dont change. What a surprise indeed.

[ppaladin123]

At "the choice" into mythic 8 you can first ask your companions what they think and they are pretty open about what they think. Some of them will grumble and urge you to switch (but won't leave) whereas will outright say they will leave.

Seelah when deciding whether to stay an angel: hate to disagree with my goddess but angels are rad and you are rad and you shouldn't give this up.

Seelah when deciding whether to go all in on lich: the goddess is giving you an out...please take it otherwise I am out.

[Immortal Reaver]

Camellia will leave Aeon.