Saving Trever?

[adamsafran]

At the point in the Battlebliss quest where trying to save/recruit Trever. Have Sosiel in the Arena and he raises his shield, where there's supposed to be a dialogue bit on 'bring him home'. But it never shows no matter the dialogue chain picked.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong here. I have the shield, I've finished the quest chains o far - is there a particular chart of dialgoue you need to do or has it been tweaked?

[Drake]

While doing the quest in act 2 and 3, you have to pick the right sentences at each dialog, otherwise you can't get the correct choice to appear in act 4.

[adamsafran]

Thanks. Guess I didn't get them then.

[Thomas Andresen]

Originally posted by Drake:

While doing the quest in act 2 and 3, you have to pick the right sentences at each dialog, otherwise you can't get the correct choice to appear in act 4.

In my experience, there is a "correct" choice that will appear regardless of what your character said to Sosiel about Trever. All you need to do is let Sosiel keep the shield he finds in Act 2. I've said lots of different stuff about Trever to Sosiel, but so long as he's kept the Immaculate Petal, he can always save his brother.

[adamsafran]

Well I had the shield and Sosiel raised it and didn't get that. Or maybe I didn't. Will have to check my save. Thanks!

[Shahadem]

Why would you want to save Trever?

By all accounts he was a terrible person the world is better off without.

[StarcraftJunkie]

Whether you can save Trever is based on flags from earlier conversations. There's basically 3 paths you can take regarding Sosiel's views of Trever - hero, victim, and traitor. Your responses about Trever build up flags in those - victim is the ONLY path that lets you recruit Trever, and most of those are along the lines of emphasizing to Sosiel that Trever was a good guy but this terrible war corrupted him. In the other two, he either stays and dies fighting the demons in the arena alone while Sosiel escapes (hero), or he fights Sosiel in the arena, I think (I haven't played the traitor path in a long time).

[Edwardlloyd]

Originally posted by Thomas Andresen:

Originally posted by Drake:

While doing the quest in act 2 and 3, you have to pick the right sentences at each dialog, otherwise you can't get the correct choice to appear in act 4.

In my experience, there is a "correct" choice that will appear regardless of what your character said to Sosiel about Trever. All you need to do is let Sosiel keep the shield he finds in Act 2. I've said lots of different stuff about Trever to Sosiel, but so long as he's kept the Immaculate Petal, he can always save his brother.

that is wrong you have to pick specific victim responses in sosiels quests

i also couldnt save him but you can fix this with Toybox. there are victim, hero and traitor flags in sosiels questline. I had 3 points in hero flag, disabled it and put 3 points into victim flag. reloaded the save and saved trever.

i thought picking the good guy options would save his brother down the line but guess not

[Thomas Andresen]

Originally posted by Edwardlloyd:

Originally posted by Thomas Andresen:

In my experience, there is a "correct" choice that will appear regardless of what your character said to Sosiel about Trever. All you need to do is let Sosiel keep the shield he finds in Act 2. I've said lots of different stuff about Trever to Sosiel, but so long as he's kept the Immaculate Petal, he can always save his brother.

that is wrong you have to pick specific victim responses in sosiels quests

i also couldnt save him but you can fix this with Toybox. there are victim, hero and traitor flags in sosiels questline. I had 3 points in hero flag, disabled it and put 3 points into victim flag. reloaded the save and saved trever.

i thought picking the good guy options would save his brother down the line but guess not

I am genuinely curious now. Since you're already playing around with this mod, how do these flags modify Sosiel's reunion with Trever? Like I said, I've gone through this part several times, and without choosing the same options (with respect to whether Trever should be considered a hero, a victim or a traitor) on every save, I still ended up with the the option for Sosiel to raise the shield (Immaculate Petal) every time.

In all my saves, Sosiel first has four (iirc) options to choose from when first greeting Trever (ranging from "Trever, is that you?" to "You're not brother of mine!"), and then when Trever charges, the option for Sosiel to raise the shield would be the first of his reactions.

[adamsafran]

I picked the hero flags in conversations, which I thought would help save him. Didn't know the 'victim 'route was the way to go. Huh. Oh well, get to learn if I do another playthrough.

[Edwardlloyd]

Originally posted by Thomas Andresen:

Originally posted by Edwardlloyd:

that is wrong you have to pick specific victim responses in sosiels quests

i also couldnt save him but you can fix this with Toybox. there are victim, hero and traitor flags in sosiels questline. I had 3 points in hero flag, disabled it and put 3 points into victim flag. reloaded the save and saved trever.

i thought picking the good guy options would save his brother down the line but guess not

I am genuinely curious now. Since you're already playing around with this mod, how do these flags modify Sosiel's reunion with Trever? Like I said, I've gone through this part several times, and without choosing the same options (with respect to whether Trever should be considered a hero, a victim or a traitor) on every save, I still ended up with the the option for Sosiel to raise the shield (Immaculate Petal) every time.

In all my saves, Sosiel first has four (iirc) options to choose from when first greeting Trever (ranging from "Trever, is that you?" to "You're not brother of mine!"), and then when Trever charges, the option for Sosiel to raise the shield would be the first of his reactions.

raising the shield is always there. its just that the options "lets go home" to appear after that you need to have picked 3 victim responses before. if you picked hero or traitor responses,, after raising the shield only options are either you fight your traitor brother or he dies a hero protecting you in the arena. I guess it also would work if you have 2 victim points and 1 hero points or 2 victim 1 traitor points etc.

[MattStriker]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Why would you want to save Trever?

By all accounts he was a terrible person the world is better off without.

He was a guy who cracked under the stress of non-stop combat, got a massive dose of PTSD and when he finally started to get a handle on his life again he got abducted by demons.

[StarcraftJunkie]

Originally posted by MattStriker:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Why would you want to save Trever?

By all accounts he was a terrible person the world is better off without.

He was a guy who cracked under the stress of non-stop combat, got a massive dose of PTSD and when he finally started to get a handle on his life again he got abducted by demons.

Yeah, Trever doesn't seem like such a bad guy, all things considered. His two subordinates - the two that DIDN'T try to lure you into a trap to get you killed - paint a picture of him as a harsh but fair, and very respected, Hellknight.

Now, his build is a complete mess. He comes with levels of paladin, hellknight, two-handed fighter, and armored hulk barbarian. It's not synergistic at all. It makes a decent amount of sense lore wise, but mechanically it's not very good. So I can see not wanting to save him just because you don't want to deal with that mess.

[adamsafran]

Eh, I'd presume with Trever that if you get him you can always retrain him if you have an idea you'd like to spec him up as.

[StarcraftJunkie]

Originally posted by adamsafran:

Eh, I'd presume with Trever that if you get him you can always retrain him if you have an idea you'd like to spec him up as.

Unless you're modding the game (which honestly, I think most people are, and I encourage), you can't respec him into something less messed up because it only respecs him as far back as what he was when you recruited him, which, as I covered, comes with a mess of terrible class combinations.

He's just fine if you rebuild him entirely as a barbarian or fighter or whatever. It's those fallen paladin levels that are the biggest anchor on him, in my opinion.

[adamsafran]

Fair. I thought they said ages ago they'd setup for Steam workshop.. Guess that's not on the agenda anymore or I was wrong in that assumption.