Lann not benefiting from Rapid Shot.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

So, I probably missed something somewhere, but since Lann started with 2 attacks, shouldn't rapid shot give him 3?

[Mork]

Flurry of Blows (Ex)
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.

A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.

A zen archer cannot use Rapid Shot or Manyshot when making a flurry of blows with his bow.


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/zen-archer

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Mork:

Flurry of Blows (Ex)
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.

A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.

A zen archer cannot use Rapid Shot or Manyshot when making a flurry of blows with his bow.


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo-monk-archetypes/zen-archer

But he has two shots anyway without flurry of blows. Rapid shot doesn't increase it. So should I just respec Lann?

[steventirey]

No, he has 1 shot without flurry of blows. The same as all low level characters. Its the flurry that gives him 2. Flurry of Blows is not something you can turn on or off. Its just always on when applicable. And you can't respec companions fully. Lann will always have that single level of Zen Archer, unless you use mods.

[Mork]

If you level Lann as a pure Zen archer, Flurry of blows is going to become superior so you dont want to waste 2 feats on Rapid Shot and Manyshot.

At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows,

At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows

Personally, i like to level Lann as a Freebooter and/or as a Mutation Warrior. So for those, Rapid Shot and Manyshot is superior.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by steventirey:

No, he has 1 shot without flurry of blows. The same as all low level characters. Its the flurry that gives him 2. Flurry of Blows is not something you can turn on or off. Its just always on when applicable. And you can't respec companions fully. Lann will always have that single level of Zen Archer, unless you use mods.

Well it glitched for me and has him do 2 attacks without flurry since I encountered him. Idk why.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Mork:

If you level Lann as a pure Zen archer, Flurry of blows is going to become superior so you dont want to waste 2 feats on Rapid Shot and Manyshot.

At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows,

At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows

Personally, i like to level Lann as a Freebooter and/or as a Mutation Warrior. So for those, Rapid Shot and Manyshot is superior.

Ok. Thanks!

[steventirey]

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Originally posted by steventirey:

No, he has 1 shot without flurry of blows. The same as all low level characters. Its the flurry that gives him 2. Flurry of Blows is not something you can turn on or off. Its just always on when applicable. And you can't respec companions fully. Lann will always have that single level of Zen Archer, unless you use mods.

Well it glitched for me and has him do 2 attacks without flurry since I encountered him. Idk why.

If he is armed with a bow (longbow or shortbow), he will have two attacks. Unless you are trying to say you gave him a weapon besides a bow and he is still getting them.

[hilburnashua]

Monks always flurry of blow in WotR and Kingmaker when making a full attack so long as they are unarmed or using the appropriate weapons (monk weapons or bows in the case of Zen Archer).

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Well it glitched for me and has him do 2 attacks without flurry since I encountered him. Idk why.

If he is armed with a bow (longbow or shortbow), he will have two attacks. Unless you are trying to say you gave him a weapon besides a bow and he is still getting them.

Yeah, but he gets two attacks with and without rapid shot.

[steventirey]

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Originally posted by steventirey:

If he is armed with a bow (longbow or shortbow), he will have two attacks. Unless you are trying to say you gave him a weapon besides a bow and he is still getting them.

Yeah, but he gets two attacks with and without rapid shot.

Yes. And that is because he has Flurry of Blows with his bow. Flurry of Blows is always active when he wields a bow, you can not turn it off and there is nothing indicating it is on except for the fact he has more than 1 attack at 1st level. Give him something other than a bow and he will drop back down to 1 attack. Rapid Shot doesn't give an extra attack when wielding a bow because he already has an extra attack when wielding a bow from Flurry, and Flurry specifically states Rapid Shot does not work with it.

Give Lann a crossbow and he should drop back down to 1 attack, and then he can use Rapid Shot.

[snuggleform]

He starts with flurry of blows at level 1, and this is what gives him the second shot at level 1. Compare to Wendaug for example who only fires once a turn at level 1.

Rapid shot is a waste on Lann because it does not stack with Flurry.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Yeah, but he gets two attacks with and without rapid shot.

Yes. And that is because he has Flurry of Blows with his bow. Flurry of Blows is always active when he wields a bow, you can not turn it off and there is nothing indicating it is on except for the fact he has more than 1 attack at 1st level. Give him something other than a bow and he will drop back down to 1 attack. Rapid Shot doesn't give an extra attack when wielding a bow because he already has an extra attack when wielding a bow from Flurry, and Flurry specifically states Rapid Shot does not work with it.

Give Lann a crossbow and he should drop back down to 1 attack, and then he can use Rapid Shot.

Ok. Thanks. I'll re-spec him. I thought that Flurry of Blows was the ability from level 3 that gives him a third attack but has limited uses.

[vysionier]

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Originally posted by steventirey:

Yes. And that is because he has Flurry of Blows with his bow. Flurry of Blows is always active when he wields a bow, you can not turn it off and there is nothing indicating it is on except for the fact he has more than 1 attack at 1st level. Give him something other than a bow and he will drop back down to 1 attack. Rapid Shot doesn't give an extra attack when wielding a bow because he already has an extra attack when wielding a bow from Flurry, and Flurry specifically states Rapid Shot does not work with it.

Give Lann a crossbow and he should drop back down to 1 attack, and then he can use Rapid Shot.

Ok. Thanks. I'll re-spec him. I thought that Flurry of Blows was the ability from level 3 that gives him a third attack but has limited uses.

No, that’s qi power that gives him an optional extra attack at lvl 3. Lann has an ability that’s waaaaaaaay better than rapid shot. Rapid shot trades -2 to hit for an extra attack. Lann gets flurry of blows which gives you an extra attack. No downside. Then he also gets to add more attacks with qi power at lvl 3. He’s an amazing damage dealer, and I like keeping him a zen archer.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by vysionier:

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

Ok. Thanks. I'll re-spec him. I thought that Flurry of Blows was the ability from level 3 that gives him a third attack but has limited uses.

No, that’s qi power that gives him an optional extra attack at lvl 3. Lann has an ability that’s waaaaaaaay better than rapid shot. Rapid shot trades -2 to hit for an extra attack. Lann gets flurry of blows which gives you an extra attack. No downside. Then he also gets to add more attacks with qi power at lvl 3. He’s an amazing damage dealer, and I like keeping him a zen archer.

Thanks. I did have any monk characters in Kingmaker, so I had no clue. I'll respec him. Clustered shots would still be a good thing to get him, though, right?

[Decius Brutus]

Clustered shots is better on archers with additional attacks, especially if you don't have anyone who can make Greater Magic Weapon enduring so that you can give the cold iron bows an enhancement bonus to attack and damage.