strong reasons to use evil characters?

[snuggleform]

By strong reason I mean not just for roleplay. Mechanically I noticed one example where you would want your characters to be of Good alignment is the Paladin's Bestow Grace, which only works on Good characters. In fact, that's the reason why I try to use good-aligned characters as much as possible.

I kinda remember seeing some items here and there that require evil (or at least, not good), like drezen's hat (sp), but are there really standout build around items or spell buffs that only work on evils that I should consider giving up Bestow Grace for? (and sure one reason could be so Smite Good doesn't work on you, but that alone to me isn't a good enough reason to give up bestow grace for).

[IlluminaZero]

Immunity to "Smite Good" is pretty snazzy. Its part of the reason why Camelia is such a competent tank.

Bestow Grace is nice but - Immunity > Improved saving throws and unless you are using a Merc team its basically going to only be Seelah, Soheil, and Ember. You can pretty comfortably dominate Core with the main companions which; more or less, forces you to not build around bestow grace.

[mudakonn]

There are quite powerful items for non-good characters (good chars cannot use them) and smaller set of items for evil characters only

Most spells are for good - eaglesoul is very powerful.

DR comes also into play - since most enemies are evil, you want DR what includes them /good I think there is a spell that gives DR /good if you are evil (and that is exactly what you need)

One item what summons some useful mooks looks whether you are evil (if you are i think you get better mooks)

[snuggleform]

What are examples of build-around items or buffs that require evil alignment?

[jonoliveira12]

Maybe you just want to collect skulls to make a comfy chair, or shower the earth in rivers of blood?

Maybe you just want to discard all this soul transference nonsense that impedes proggress, and hoard knowledge forever as an undead ruler-archivist, but the process is a little morally dubious?

Maybe you are cursed with an unsatiable hunger, and normal food just does not dull the pain anymore?

Maybe all these heretics rtunning around are the reason why the world is facing annihilation to invading demon hordes?

Maybe you are cursed with unsatiable lust, and mortal women just do not dull the horny anymore?

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by snuggleform:

What are examples of build-around items or buffs that require evil alignment?

All of the Lich items, to be fair.

[snuggleform]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Maybe you just want to collect skulls to make a comfy chair, or shower the earth in rivers of blood?

Maybe you just want to discard all this soul transference nonsense that impedes proggress, and hoard knowledge forever as an undead ruler-archivist, but the process is a little morally dubious?

Maybe you are cursed with an unsatiable hunger, and normal food just does not dull the pain anymore?

Maybe all these heretics rtunning around are the reason why the world is facing annihilation to invading demon hordes?

Maybe you are cursed with unsatiable lust, and mortal women just do not dull the horny anymore?

i mentioned roleplay is not a factor for the sake of this discussion

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by snuggleform:

What are examples of build-around items or buffs that require evil alignment?

All of the Lich items, to be fair.

I don't remember any of them being amazing despite running lich a few times. I got that DLC helm from inevitable excess then said meh and benched it.

I just noticed a +3 AC lawful evil monk shirt on sale in act 4, but other than that I'm having a hard time thinking of build around items or buffs for evil characters.

[mudakonn]

I just counted 4 weapons usable only by evil characters - there was a nice staff among them what gives +4 profane to INT. So You can use hat slot for something else if you want to stack INT as much as possible. Possible Sword Saint build with focusing quaterstaves maybe?:)

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Gameplaywise there are none.

A lot of enemy dr is removed by magic or good aligned.
Bless weapon alone is very good.

Tho 90% of my playthroughts are a neutral evil lich(i dont pay attention to the alignment. I just end up there because lich gets a lot of evil choices that bring benifits)

So gameplaywise i would say because lich require to be evil to transform but beyond that.
Your alignments means nothing.
Just get a few good spells and gear.
And stuff will die.

[Matt]

The best Monk's Robe is evil only.

Apart from that, I found it really helpful to have evil mercs in my LA Angel game, simply because they are unaffected by Blasphemy, which really helps on several occasions.

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by snuggleform:

By strong reason I mean not just for roleplay. Mechanically I noticed one example where you would want your characters to be of Good alignment is the Paladin's Bestow Grace, which only works on Good characters. In fact, that's the reason why I try to use good-aligned characters as much as possible.

I kinda remember seeing some items here and there that require evil (or at least, not good), like drezen's hat (sp), but are there really standout build around items or spell buffs that only work on evils that I should consider giving up Bestow Grace for? (and sure one reason could be so Smite Good doesn't work on you, but that alone to me isn't a good enough reason to give up bestow grace for).

Lich is like the ultimate wizard and afaik the penultimate caster in the game. To be a Lich you have to do a whole bunch of evil things (including sacrificing your loved one), although I guess you can balance it out with other unrelated choices.

This may or may not be an opinion. Personally I love evil characters in rpgs so I may be biased.

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

All of the Lich items, to be fair.

While yes, those items may require evil, but I dont think they are automatically BETTER than good-aligned items. Personally I went with the higher +int items rather than the lich-specific ones like Tar-Baphons crown. That said, I don't really have a point of comparison since I only have one playthrough under my belt as a LE lich.

[Serendipitous]

There is a hat that gives +2 profane to Int, used by non-good. While it is inconvenient to use since it takes same slot as headband, you can get 24 hr buffs to Int with greater enduring spells.

[snuggleform]

Originally posted by carashi:

There is a hat that gives +2 profane to Int, used by non-good. While it is inconvenient to use since it takes same slot as headband, you can get 24 hr buffs to Int with greater enduring spells.

yeah that's the hat I was talking about in the original post

[Lywelyn]

hellknights.

because nothing smite chaos like they do.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

I just counted 4 weapons usable only by evil characters - there was a nice staff among them what gives +4 profane to INT. So You can use hat slot for something else if you want to stack INT as much as possible. Possible Sword Saint build with focusing quaterstaves maybe?:)

I remember that staff in Kingmaker (made a sorcerer/cleric/ mystic theurge of Asmodeus to make use of it) but I haven't seen it in WotR. Is it in the DLCs? Only started the Midnight Islands and haven't looked at the other one.

[Sinister Footwear]

Originally posted by Lywelyn:

hellknights.

because nothing smite chaos like they do.

Hellknights are not necessarily evil though, they cover all alignments in the lawful spectrum and typically most are evil and some diabolists, but within the order youll find lawful neutral and good.