Shamira's check seems to be impossible, not just difficult

[Excaliblast]

I'm trying to pass the check where you show her your knife. I've got martyr's testament equipped on my character and stockpiled enough buffs/iron will/min-maxing to bring him up to a +33 on will saves. Yet I keep failing the check. I have no idea what I need to do to pass this thing, at this point it seems like a bug. Anyone know what might be up here?

[AnemoneMeer]

Cast Mind Blank. She's debuffing you *heavily* as part of the check. Can add Life Bubble too if you need the extra help.

[jsaving]

Will checks against the second strongest demon in Nocticula's realm are supposed to be difficult, but most will effects can be countered or at least more easily saved against if you cast the appropriate spells beforehand.

[Raikon]

Im not overly familliar with pathfinder lore, but is Shamira a demon?

[MattStriker]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Im not overly familliar with pathfinder lore, but is Shamira a demon?

Not at this point in the story...she's a fallen empyreal (a demigoddess of the upper planes, basically). After certain events surrounding Nocticula she becomes a nascent demon lord due to her control of most of Alushynirra.

[Koveras]

You can do quite a bit to prepare for the will saves. Certain recipes increase your saving throws (if I recall correct). Sosiel's ability "touch of good" should increase your saving throws. So should greater heroism and the various high level cleric shield spells. There are a lot of rings and capes that increase will saving throws. Look at your inventory and review the available spells and abilities your other characters have. I suspect you'll find a solution.

[Veganleader1]

You can use Greater Heroism for a +4 Morale bonus to saves and then if you have picked it up from the Midnight Isles Act4 (second set) chain of islands you can use the Ring of Triumphant Advance to double all Morale bonuses for another +4. Something not mentioned that you can definitely do is have Cam (or Ember if she has it) apply Fortune to your MC and Chant/Cackle to up the duration as long as you need it so you can take the higher of 2 roills on every saving throw in the conversation. I think I passed the 3 checks the second attempt if I recall without doing Fortune. Despite lengthy debate on the topic as well I still believe the game adjusts your roll window for a certain number of reloads after a quicksave to give you roughly the same rolls every time. You may just need to repeat assuming your 33 is within range of the rolls. You should be able to check the combat log section after the conversation to see the values if you can't see them during it.

[Excaliblast]

Originally posted by Veganleader1:

You can use Greater Heroism for a +4 Morale bonus to saves and then if you have picked it up from the Midnight Isles Act4 (second set) chain of islands you can use the Ring of Triumphant Advance to double all Morale bonuses for another +4. Something not mentioned that you can definitely do is have Cam (or Ember if she has it) apply Fortune to your MC and Chant/Cackle to up the duration as long as you need it so you can take the higher of 2 roills on every saving throw in the conversation. I think I passed the 3 checks the second attempt if I recall without doing Fortune. Despite lengthy debate on the topic as well I still believe the game adjusts your roll window for a certain number of reloads after a quicksave to give you roughly the same rolls every time. You may just need to repeat assuming your 33 is within range of the rolls. You should be able to check the combat log section after the conversation to see the values if you can't see them during it.

I'm not really sure what you mean about the roll windows.

And I've tried everything in this thread. I have mind blank, life bubble, touch of good, greater heroism, and food boosting my saves. Everything. Yet I still fail the first check every single time. It really does seem bugged. I can't think of how I could still be repeatedly failing at this point with all those buffs.

I can't even see or hear any sign anywhere that a will check is happening unlike other will checks in conversations. I just give her the knife every time with no chance of passing.

[Uzkin]

Just did it with my demon wizard, very easy. I had Sosiel cast Bit of Luck and Touch of Good beforehand and it was trivial.

[Veganleader1]

Roll windows is a term I am using to refer to the narrow range of roll values that the game seems to roll for you when you are savescumming right after a quicksave. I've noticed countless times getting all my rolls in a tight range for instance 3-7 or even 1-7 something ~ 8 rolls in a row. Like I said most people don't think this is a thing, I do.

From what I recall aren't those rolls ~45. So if you are getting a 33 then you still need to roll at least a 12. Assuming you are only off by 12 you should eventually get it. So you used Fortune hex and the double rolls are still not helping? Do you have Guarded Hearth on any characters? That buffs saves by a lot.