Sword of Heaven hurts yourself

[Goldensun441]

I don't use it that often because my character is a tank and cant land a hit anything in the game (thanks pathfinder rule set). But i just noticed that now, every time i buff my weapon, I take 3d4+3 holy damage. To myself... for no reason that i can see.

Am playing Angel mythic rank 6, so far for perks i chose 'bestow the divine' and 'guide the faithful'.

For a first play-though, I'm finding so much bs like this, this game is absolutely loaded to the brim with bugs after being out for so long.

It's becoming painfully clear the programmers at owlcat are by far the weakest link in the chain. They're getting hardcore carried by the rest of the team.

[Hex]

If you can't hit anything as a tank, your build is simply bad or you're one of those people who don't bother buffing and then wondering why you get your teeth kicked in.

[Goldensun441]

Originally posted by Hex:

If you can't hit anything as a tank, your build is simply bad or you're one of those people who don't bother buffing and then wondering why you get your teeth kicked in.

thanks, that makes me like the game now.

[HydraLord]

Hi there.

Well, sometimes when the enemy die and i have mages auto spellcasting, for example, a touch attack, they cast it on themselves....so many times my necromancer did drain his own abilities score values...so i have to pay more attention, no more autocasting for some spells. Perhaps your case is something like this,...if this is the case, a bit more of micromanagement and you will be fine to go.

Hope this help
Have fun

[Goldensun441]

I think I figured out where that damage was coming from. I have Magic Nullification on and the Destructive Dispel feat. Even though it doesn't seem to dispel the Sword of Heaven something goes wrong when all of those effects come together and it results in hurting yourself.

Originally posted by HydraLord:

Hi there.

Well, sometimes when the enemy die and i have mages auto spellcasting, for example, a touch attack, they cast it on themselves....so many times my necromancer did drain his own abilities score values...so i have to pay more attention, no more autocasting for some spells. Perhaps your case is something like this,...if this is the case, a bit more of micromanagement and you will be fine to go.

Hope this help
Have fun

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Check your BAB, check enemy AC.

*Make sure* your BAB roll are within 1-20 range (i.e. 20 BAB vs 30 AC, meaning Minimum Rolling 10 to hit, not 20 BAB vs 50 AC, meaning only nat20 rolls can hit)

Some enemies are nigh-impossible to hit by your normal melee.

Touch attack is king in this game, almost every single enemy has lower Touch AC.

[Hex]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

Check your BAB, check enemy AC.

*Make sure* your BAB roll are within 1-20 range (i.e. 20 BAB vs 30 AC, meaning Minimum Rolling 10 to hit, not 20 BAB vs 50 AC, meaning only nat20 rolls can hit)

Some enemies are nigh-impossible to hit by your normal melee.

Touch attack is king in this game, almost every single enemy has lower Touch AC.

There are some enemies with extremely high AC but even those can be hit without touch attacks if your character is focused enough and you buff hard enough. Though it's true, Sword Saint Dimension Strike ability just auto-wins the game.

Crits for 600 + Eelem Barrage from 3 elements. 5 attacks per round. 11-20 threat range if you go trickster. All crits automatically confirmed. Can get a 6x multiplier.

All attacks are counted as Touch.

BaLAnCeD

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Rogue Rowdy + Spawn Slayer with 2H weapon can deal 300-400 regular damage (and hit close to 1000 damage end game) (Vital Strike Mythic, Power Attack Mythic).

It's my go to build if my party get their asses handed to them because I want to role play heavy armored Rogue/Sorcerer Dhampir who like to suck on these enemies blood and doing Crusade mission on the part time.

[Hex]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

Rogue Rowdy + Spawn Slayer with 2H weapon can deal 300-400 regular damage (and hit close to 1000 damage end game) (Vital Strike Mythic, Power Attack Mythic).

It's my go to build if my party get their asses handed to them because I want to role play heavy armored Rogue/Sorcerer Dhampir who like to suck on these enemies blood and doing Crusade mission on the part time.

What makes SS so ridiculously good is the defensive spells and the fact that you can use your melee attacks against touch AC, which is guaranteed to hit against most of the hard bosses. You can probably solo the game with it without using any cheap stealth tricks. You can go Lich path and combine spellbooks for some seriously good stuff like 24h Haste etc.

[Goldensun441]

thanks ill definitely give this a try

[mna99]

It's great that people have working builds but that Sword of Heaven bug is weird. I would be more interested in knowing why that's happening.

[hilburnashua]

That is a weird bug. Any chance you got the Demongraft in Act 4 on your main?

[Hex]

Are you a Dhampir? Does it have a healing effect? :D

[Goldensun441]

I'm pretty sure its a bug that happens due to having both Magic Nullification on and the Destructive Dispel feat. Even though it doesn't dispel the sword of heaven, when I turn magic nullification off I didn't see self damage. I believe it started happening when i picked up the destructive dispel feat, but i can't be 100% certain since I wasn't using this move frequently.

Originally posted by mna99:

It's great that people have working builds but that Sword of Heaven bug is weird. I would be more interested in knowing why that's happening.

[KraftyKev]

Does anyone have anything related to, and useful, pertaining to the question of receiving damage when activating Sword of Heaven?
Cannot figure out why I am taking damage. I do not have destructive dispel on or any dispel for that matter.

and yes. The game has so many conflicting and interacting actions the devs just simply can't help but seem incompetent. Sometimes my player card will just be my horse. Can't use any spells or abilities, cause Lann actions are replaced by .. MC horse. Cool.

[KraftyKev]

Originally posted by Goldensun441:

Originally posted by Hex:

If you can't hit anything as a tank, your build is simply bad or you're one of those people who don't bother buffing and then wondering why you get your teeth kicked in.

thanks, that makes me like the game now.

Agreed. This guy basically just said if you do not have an intimate understanding of the extremely specific rules (that have bugs and overlapping effects) you are just doing a bad build. My recommendation for this game is RAPIDLY changing.