Cheating

[Gray Knight]

The TLDR: Download toybox if you want to play this but don't want to deal the PG part of RPG. Cheats are great fine no matter what people say if you're having fun and its not effecting other people. Ignore what people think or say about you cheating because its not about them its about you having fun.

after reaching 90+ hours in this game I finally realized something that will affect some of you.

I HATE the fighting, time limit, and crusading of WotR but LOVE the RPing and most of the writing.

Its like a comment i heard a few months ago "when i was younger I always played games on normal or harder because it was fun, challenging and i had all the time to beat it. Now as an adult I just stick to easy and some times normal because I want to enjoy the game and not be frustrated because the level is too hard and i wasted my time."

Spending a 1 hour alone at the start making a character RPing is fun as hell only to realize after entering act 1 or act 2 that your build is trash and you won't make it past act 2 mid game or side areas..

Like "Wow i really wasted 4 to 8 hours only to restart again and again and again" is frustrating.

I finally gave up and installed toybox and wouldn't you know i remember why i loved cheat codes as a child. "This is too hard and im not having fun. I want to have fun." I want to have fun. The core reason for why i play games why people SHOULD play games.

[Radene]

While I heartily agree that cheats in single-player games are perfectly fine, and I sometimes use them too, I don't really understand the purpose of the thread?

[Gray Knight]

Originally posted by Radene:

While I heartily agree that cheats in single-player games are perfectly fine, and I sometimes use them too, I don't really understand the purpose of the thread?

Just a posting my thoughts after going through subs and guides after getting annoyed with act 3 and the games lack of a clear thing saying "if you do this you will start moving on to act 4".

I didn't want to use any cheats because it has been ingrained in my head that "cheating is bad and you shouldn't cheat" by people and devs and has been punished by the devs (not owlcat devs in general) for cheating in a single player game.

But after saying out loud "frag it im using cheats. Im not having fun and I skip this ♥♥♥♥" it clicked in my head "why the hell AM i punishing myself for wanting to use cheats to make a game fun for myself."

Some people like yourself understand that but for people like me we either have to be told "cheating is fine as long as if it isn't PvP" or have it click that cheating is fine before we get that who gives a ♥♥♥♥ what i do its MY game and im not effecting anyone else.

[wirednight]

The thing with toybox is that it's not just a cheat, but a collection of all kinds of things that can simply make the game better, without it making it any easier. It's just that people assume that it's simply a cheat since that's what the majority of players will use it for.

[Gray Knight]

Originally posted by wirednight:

The thing with toybox is that it's not just a cheat, but a collection of all kinds of things that can simply make the game better, without it making it any easier. It's just that people assume that it's simply a cheat since that's what the majority of players will use it for.

Ik but remember you also got people that say "If you use mods you aren't respecting the dev's original design." even if the original design was trash and hte mods make it good

[Raikon]

Originally posted by Gray Knight:

Originally posted by wirednight:

The thing with toybox is that it's not just a cheat, but a collection of all kinds of things that can simply make the game better, without it making it any easier. It's just that people assume that it's simply a cheat since that's what the majority of players will use it for.

Ik but remember you also got people that say "If you use mods you aren't respecting the dev's original design." even if the original design was trash and hte mods make it good

Its not worth projecting how others think onto yourself. Someone may disagree with mods and refuse to use them, and still not care if you use them. There are several poeple here that refuse to use mods, I am one of them. Why would I care though if you use them, you arent less of a person if you do.

You do you.

[Raikon]

I saw your comment about seelah, but damn dude you just escalated a 2 to an 8. Whats woke got to do with the topic of cheating.

[Raikon]

Probably, id imagine toybox could do that for you.

[Raikon]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Originally posted by Raikon:

I saw your comment about seelah, but damn dude you just escalated a 2 to an 8. Whats woke got to do with the topic of cheating.

OP said they like the RP, I replied, got a problem with that ?

I dont have an issue with what you said, how you feel about the game is entirely up to you. I just didnt understand how the topic was related in anyway. Makes more sense now that your looking for a mod to get rid of elements of the game you dont like.

[JediLordNathan]

Toybox is essential to every run I do I'd never play the game without it

[Schlumpsha]

Anything is fair in love and gaming. We are our own DM and player group rolled into one after all. Your mods, your rules. That's all there's to it.

Toybox especially is more of a useful debug tool that can help you to weather through quest bugs. Or provide alternate respect services should Hilor bite the dust. But its possible applications go way that as well. Pretty much an essential asset for a lot of reasons.

[Dothal]

Originally posted by Gray Knight:

I HATE the fighting, time limit, and crusading of WotR but LOVE the RPing and most of the writing.

One thing I gotta ask.. the only time limit in the game (during act 1) is basically impossible to fail by accident. A soldier appears and offers to teleport you to the tavern. Why are you complaining about the time limit?

[Fuzzyballs01 ꦙ]

bro? you can set the game to story mode, you won't have to min-max to beat fights
I've done three playthroughs and have hit zero time limits
I do use toybox to reset skill and spell uses after battle since I play on max difficulty and having lvl 4 characters get hit that hard consistently, repeatedly just isn't feasable

[Tao314zdin]

Or even better fun - figure out how to mod the game and bend it they way you want;)

But yeah for a no-multiplayer game who cares what you do?

[Gray Knight]

Originally posted by Dothal:

Originally posted by Gray Knight:

I HATE the fighting, time limit, and crusading of WotR but LOVE the RPing and most of the writing.

One thing I gotta ask.. the only time limit in the game (during act 1) is basically impossible to fail by accident. A soldier appears and offers to teleport you to the tavern. Why are you complaining about the time limit?

Because thats not a hard time limit. The game tells you "who knows when they will attack". and after that you can till go around the city and do all the side objectives and hit new ones in old areas.

A time limit is more than a clock telling you have X time limit before game over

A time limit is like act 2 and 3.

You have retake the city soon. how long i got? Figure it out. You took too long you scrub. You wasted to much time, resources, and man power to take the city.

Complete the missions in city and beat back the demons. what mission are more important? figure it out. WHAT!? Hey you beaten the ivory keep, so we started the count down timer for the next act. WAIT WHAT!? BUT I GOT OTHER QUESTS TO COMPLETE STILL! Tough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck you got one month. Reloads a save deleting hours of progress


Players like you and me forget that games we love to play always aren't made for other players no matter what people like to say. I love RTS games because like managing things in real time. other people don't because they can't keep up with all the notification and events happening without a pause (if you can pause your game its not RTS yes im that much of an RTS purest.). I don't like CoD and BF (Not BF:BC2 that is the ♥♥♥♥) games outside the story mode because i don't have the time to deal with hackers or try hards. Other people don't even notice those games even have a story mode.

[Mindeveler]

Originally posted by Gray Knight:

Hey you beaten the ivory keep, so we started the count down timer for the next act. WAIT WHAT!? BUT I GOT OTHER QUESTS TO COMPLETE STILL! Tough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck you got one month. Reloads a save deleting hours of progress

That's not how it works.
No-one forces you to enter Midnight Fane ASAP.
After the queen arrives you can make her majesty wait for as long as you want.

And act 2 has huuuge excess of free time.
Compared to a speedrun, a normal player has over a month of extra time.
You have a total of 50 or 60 days iirc to do act 2.
And it's not a hard limit, the only penalty is the queen will be less satisfied with you.
But in my test she still gave me the full reward so it changed nothing.