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That's not the point. The point is that dispel can be made to work, if you invest in it.
Whether or not you actually need dispel is a whole different conversation and depends on what you're playing. Some builds like properly built DC casters simply bruteforce enemy saves or use direct save debuffs and have no need of dispel, but dispel is still a valid and viable tool that can be made to work.
Moreover, if your party has at least 1 DC caster (e.g. enchantress Nenio or touch of glory boosted Daeran/Ember), there is no reason NOT to have invested in dispel, because you do not lose any spell DC relative to a build focused purely on spell DC stacking, because you recoup the feat cost of Spell Specialization via Dispel Synergy: you get +2 spell DC vs dispelled target at the cost of 2 feats.
In other words, dispel is a tool that virtually any party can have for "free". There is no disadvantage in having an extra tool in your toolbox when it leads to same or better results, since dispelling a target can be a source of extra effective spell DC due to removal of save-buffing effects.
It's "free" on a dedicated DC caster.
Expanded arsenal gives you +1DC/feat.
Spell Focus Abjuration is a pre-requisite for Spell Specialization Greater Dispel, but it also feeds your expanded arsenal for any non-Abjuration school so you do not lose any spell DC by taking this feat.
Spell Specialization + Dispel Synergy = 2 feats that grant you +2 CL to Greater Dispel and +2 spell DC vs dispelled target. This is the same cost as expanded arsenal: +1DC/feat.
So if you're using Nenio, Daeran or Ember in the role of a DC caster, you have no reason not to take Spell Focus Abjuration + Spell Specialization Greater Dispel + Dispel Synergy: you retain the same total spell DC and gain improved dispel functionality in your toolbox. You are also guaranteed at least one successful dispel due to goggles so you will always be able to proc Dispel Synergy against buffed boss targets.
Lmao.
First, with your liberal use of bugged touch of glory you are as big a cheater as I am, I am just being open about things that I use and lie to neither myself nor others when I rely on certain things that don't work as described (such as aforementioned touch of glory in my kineticist trickster game or certain spell buffs working with magic nullification).
Second, I don't use any mods that have any effect on difficulty of fights.
Every single fight in my game, every single build that I use are 100% reproducible without any mods whatsoever. I show my buffs and my stats in most videos for this very reason.
None of my buffs or items or feats or whatnot are gained via mods.
If you want to spend 10 minutes buffing and another 10 minutes cackling - be my guest.
I'll do that in 15 seconds, but the result is exactly the same.
If you think that manual buffing = difficulty, well, I feel sorry for you and the fact that you find "click spell - click target - click spell - click target - click hex - click target - 222222222222222222222222222 (cackle)" difficult (rather than merely boring).
Third, I'm not hypocritical, that's just baseless slander. I never said "cheating bad" or whatever you think is hypocritical. I just find it funny when closeted cheaters like you abuse clearly bugged OP abilities but claim they're playing a fair game.
Or guys like MjKorz who are ok with using reloads to cause bugs that weaken bosses (and suggest that others should use the same bugs to make their spells more effective, and if they don't, booo noobs) or abuse bugged Expanded Arsenal but call people who simply use mercs "cheaters".
Now, that's true hypocricy.
Forth, I'm definitely not one of the people who love to brag how easily they steamrolled unfair from prologue to act 6, "unfair ez, plz buff". You can find plenty of messages where I was discussing difficulties I was having like swarms in Leper's smile. Even more of such messages can be found on discord.
Even when I use the word "easy" (and I do it very rarely, you can check my post history to make sure of it), I usually preface it with "relatively" or "quite", like in this particular thread when I said
"relatively easy boss. Idk why many people have issues with him, I wouldn't put him even in top-10 of hardest fights during that run."
Since your reading comprehension is lacking, let me clarify: when somebody calls a boss "relatively easy" and "not in top-10 hardest fights", it's not the same as saying "unfair easy".
Fifth, where did I use glitches?
Going through the game, you can notice that a lot of areas are specifically blocked to be unaccessible by dimension door.
And, on the contrary, there are also zones that are only accessible via DD.
The zone behind the rubble in GG is still one of the accessible zones, after all this time.
And DD is a normal spell that works exactly as described.
Yes, it's a rather cheesy tactics, but hardly more cheesy than +20 touch of glory.
Also it's not my fault that the mythic buff you receive for that fight that clearly states that enemies fail all saves against your spells, doesn't work on spells you cast from scrolls for whatever reason. If everything worked as described in this game, I wouldn't even have to use DD in the first place.
However unlike you, I dont belittle others for using the mechanics. If you believe I am belittling you, instead look at it from a different viewpoint. One where I call you a hypocrit.
There is absolutely no comparison to be made about spending an hour to do something, then spending 1 second to do it. The intent is the time. It is designed in a way that makes you consider if it is worth utilizing your time for. The answer for most poeple is no, so they dont do it. While I dont care that you do it, I care that you do it then look down upon others. Like what the abyss man.
To make it worse you clearly abuse game mechanics then give MJ crap about ABUSING MECHANICS. So yes look at it from the view point that I consider you a cheater and a Hypocrit. Your actions dont bother me, your words do.
1) I don't belittle anyone except for people who belittle others. In that case I cannot help but to point out certain problems with the person's arguments.
2) I have nothing against people who abuse mechanics but I absolutely cannot stand exaggerations, misinformation and condescending attitude, such as:
- bragging how easy unfair is, how easy it it easy to achive high spell DC while in reality that DC is achieved by collecting every single boost in the game, including all the bugged stuff;
- posting highly misleading screenshots like "see my dog with 130 AB, ez", which do not reflect the actual stats at all, or posting 6-months-old screenshots that are no longer reproducible (I keep seeing plenty of those on discord);
- accusing people who dislike greater dispel (and it actually is not that great because of its unchanged DR across all difficulties and the fact that CL is very hard & costly to buff) of basically being "booo, noobs" just because they don't play 1 out of 3 select classes, 1 out of 3 select paths and don't abuse a reload bug on top of it (you can see the difference, right, between simply using a bug yourself and accusing others of being poor at the game and its numbers because they didn't factor that bug into their calculations? right? this is the only reason why I gave MJ crap about that reloading bug; if he hadn't come here like a wrecking ball to call others bad players but instead just humbly mentioned "hey, guys, btw, you can also slightly improve your dispelling chance by reloading, it lowers the DR", I'd have no problem with that);
- using act 5 numbers to back up much more universal statements about the game like "illusion school OP, you can easily one-shot everything that moves" forgetting to mention it's not nearly as OP in the first 2-3 acts.
- using bugged abilities but accusing others of being cheaters just because they use non-bugged mercs;
- and so on and so forth (I'm not necessrily referring to your or MJ's comments, just all sorts of stuff I've seen here and on discord).
Nowadays I know very well what ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exactly is hiding behind those misleading numbers, I know exactly when other players exaggerate (such as by saying "ez" but implying "collect every single buff in the game") but I used to be a new player too at some point and seeing all those screenshots and claims caused nothing but confusion.
And that is exactly why I interfere when I see someone posting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ screenshots or claims, especially when they do it to "educate" newcomers.
3) Well, unfair is rather hard to play with a full party without heavily buffing everyone which can take a long time without bubble buffs.
Does it mean unfair was never meant to be played (or played with a full party)?
There is no difference between using 10-minute out-of-combat cackle and bubble buffs, they're the same in their nature and in terms of time you save.
You only really need PL in a handful of hardest fights which still only last several rounds. Cackling for a minute (an hour? please) before such fights is hardly a problem.
I did Threshold almost solo (except for the final fight and a bunch of spell buffs from my party members) on unfair completely without hexes (and with only 1 reload - not because I lost a fight, no, but because I cast a buff the wrong way and ended up with extended transformation which was not part of the plan) just to prove that they're redundant. You can find the video on my channel.
I killed a bunch of act 3 bosses (sinful sinew, marhevok, morveg, ancient treant) and did a bunch of small locations solo (i.e. without shaman buffbot) and without last stand just to have more exp for my MC. None of it was a problem.
I soloed most of act 1 on unfair for the sake of exp before I finally hired a shaman merc. Also not a problem.
I soloed ancient sarcorian ghost in act 2 and some lost chapel bosses, also for the sake of having all the EXP for myself.
I love protective luck, I do, because I hate rests. I just hate them (even though WotR doesn't have any real penalties/restrictions for resting, except in a couple of locations like threshold or grey garrison). And the less damage I receive, the less I have to rest.
Having pre-cackled long-lasting PL is very convenient.
But be it act 1, 2, 3 or 5, I only really needed PL in a few fights. So if you think I can only finish unfair because I use long-lasting PL, you're wrong.
Mephisto (the case which triggered you for some reason, despite the words "relatively" and "not in top-10") definitely wasn't even one of the "PL required" fights because there was no AC tanking there at all.
There is nothing misleading about this, you simply do not understand how to buff. Mark of Justice + Smite Chaos with charisma being boosted by Touch of Glory + Vision of Madness + Guarded Hearth + Diviner's Fortune will put you within reach of 130 AB on a proper charisma stacker. 130 AB isn't even exceptional and it's quite telling that you think it is. I have seen people hit 150+ AB.
Any DR in the game can be beaten on a proper caster specced into Dispel. It does not cost anything for a DC caster to specc into Dispel. You can achieve good dispel success rates on any mythic path while playing any full caster class, but some are better than others. Reloading a game is not prohibited unless you're playing last Azlanti and is something most people will do naturally anyway without knowing.
Act 5 numbers? Here's an unfair Vescavor Queen kill with 95% chance to beat her save.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2822520676
Since you claim there's something stronger than Illusion, post your single hit unfair Vescavor Queen kill than is achieved via non-illusion means. Go.
The more I read your posts, the more I realize that your opinions can be safely ignored since you do not understand what can be achieved with proper builds.
I know what that 130 AB consists of.
Heck, I wrote a series of articles for wiki listing all sorts of major bonuses for AB/AC/stats/etc.
In case you didn't understand the reference (I mentioned it in the previous comments), it's about crpgbro who likes to showcase his builds with unrealistic stats, like when he shows his dog buffed with True Strike (and a ton of other once/day or 1-round buffs).
A dog. With True Strike.
People don't buff their dogs with true strikes.
The is not a real AB one can expect from their dog during a normal gameplay 95% of the time.
Yes, it's perfectly reproducible "for pretty screenshots", but de facto it's almost a lie.
Personally, when I show pics of my builds, I usually only include spell buffs (i.e. numbers that are valid 90-95% of the time), not any domain powers, MoJ, true strikes and whatnot.
Pretty pictures are pretty (like when I tried my own solo legend build against Areelu and had 122 AB and 143 AC against her, or when I had an MC with 60 AC by the end of act 1 which did feel great), but they lie.
I know very well how to stack things like AB, AC and saves (to a lesser extent spell DC, since it's not my cup of tea because spells are limited and axe swings are not), but unlike some people I don't exaggerate and can tell the difference between "ez" and "hard" build (which depends on the total amount of buffs you have to collect from X different classes and items), between realistic numbers and numbers that were artificially pumped up for a pretty picture (or a single round of a boss fight or even a single attack), numbers that are very fair and numbers that abuse a looot of cheese.
And I can tell the difference between fair criticism (like when you reproach a person who complains about lack of AB but didn't even apply basic buffs like heroism) and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ criticism (like in this thread, where people were accused of being bad at this game because they didn't apply unfair-tier minmaxing to their game on whatever difficulty they play it).
Who's pretty lady on the screenshot? BFT buffbot? Court poet?
I thought all merc users were filthy cheaters in your book.
And plz don't twist my words, I never specifically said "there's something stronger than Illusion", but I do know that it's not particularly viable without stacking touches of glory, double evil eyes, kindred-raised half-elf MC and pretty much all the cheese you have in earlier acts.
So people who claim "illusion school OP, you can easily one-shot everything that moves" forget to mention all these "little" nuances.
That said, Vescavor Queen can also be dismissed using Dismissal spell. That's only 1 save instead of 2.
Which is easier to achieve for an average person (who didn't stack his MC ad nauseam and has more like 30-50% chance for 1 save vs overall negligibly low chance for 2 saves).
That's the difference between an easy solution (dismissal) which will work for most players and a hard one (phantasmal killer) which does have +2 thanks to the ring but overall is a lot more demanding.
True strike has nothing to do with any of this. None of the buffs I mentioned wear off after a single attack. I never mentioned pets or dogs either. There is nothing deceptive about an attack bonus that lasts for a whole full round action which is enough to perform a pounce with all of your attacks and melt any enemy in the game. I'm not interested in your strawmen. There is nothing impressive in 130 attack bonus when I personally saw a person reach 158 without true strike.
MoJ is part of the game, domains are part of the game. There is nothing wrong with using them. These powers last for multiple rounds and the numbers one obtains by using them are not deceptive in any way. Your complaints do not make any sense.
There is nothing hard in reproducing an already solved build. There is nothing wrong in using buffs, they are part of the game. There is nothing deceptive or "unrealistic" about single round values of any kind as long as those values lead to an immediate victory within that round. Why would I care that Evil Eye lasts only one round when the enemy won't survive to see the next one? Why would a pouncer care about Diviner's Fortune lasting only a single round when he can output 3k+ damage per pounce and melt unfair Deskari on the spot? You're not making any sense.
When one refuses to use tools given by the game and then complains that a certain action or spell that relies on those tools does not work, they deserve any amount of criticism.
The merc is a level 8 court poet, but a mercenary is not needed. I overshoot the Vescavor Queen's higher save (Will) by 1 so the merc can be replaced by an Oracle4/CourtPoet4 Daeran and you will still retain 95% success rate on beating either save. Brownfur transmuter can be used here, but I did not bother. The use of a merc is a consequence of being lazy and not calculating everything before the fight, so I thought I might need a merc to reach 95% chance of beating saves when in the end the merc turned out to be redundant.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2822829416
You don't need to be a CHA caster to reach 95% success rates against Vescavor Queen, Nulkineth, Blightmaw and Staunton. A properly optimized intelligence caster with a proper party can do it too, but in the current patch charisma casters are stronger.
There is nothing wrong with any of this. Optimizing your build and creating a synergistic party that can work together is part of the game. Your complaints are nonsensical.
And how are you going to get a level 5 spell this early? Getting level 8 before the Vescavor Queen is non-trivial even if you maximize every single point of experience in the early game by by disabling shared party xp. You'd have to grind for ridiculous amount of time to reach that level on a sorcerer and if you're going with a reduced party you will lose the synergistic benefits of other party members making the entire endeavor moot.
Post yourself dismissing the Vescavor Queen, I want to see this.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2822828087
And that I can do "pretty pictures" too.
I didn't post it as a bloody guide, in case it wasn't clear.
UPD. I just noticed your previous message.
Lol, in case you didn't know, divine casters get Dismissal at level 4.
And what exactly do you want to see?
Me creating a kindred-raised half-elf oracle, stacking 10 base + 9 (28) charisma + 4 level + 2 focus + 4 touch of glory + 2 court poet + 1 BFT for 32 DC.
Then applying a few debuffs and casting Dismissal?
There is nothing wrong with using them when the time is right (i.e. in a boss fight).
But showing people 130 AB dog is almost a lie, because when they actually build that dog they will have de facto much lower AB in 95% of the game (because no sane person uses true strike, touches of madness and guarded hearths in every random encounter).
You're funny.
That|s not my build, I never claimed it was mine.
There is nothing "pretty" in a build that has no damage. There is nothing "pretty" in buffing yourself with true strike and then failing to kill the target in a single hit, pretending that your attack bonus is not worthless on a nodamage build. Ironic that that you became an example of the same deception you complain about.
So what you're trying to say is that you will end up with a suboptimal garbage build that loses 2 spell DC due to not benefiting from Magician's Ring that also becomes useless on a huge chunk of the game due to dismissal only working against outsider archetypes? With a dismissal DC of 32 you will not reach 95% success rate on beating the Vescavor Queen's will save with the same debuffs I have applied so your suboptimal build will require more debuffing actions introducing extra opportunities to fail.
I don't care about your strawman dogs. The only one using true strike in this thread to deceive people with your nodamage build is you.
It didn't work.
Gosh, you really can't tell an obvious parody from reality, can you?
1) I will end up with a spell that only requires 1 save. One.
Vs 2 saves of your PK.
And since you apparently suck at probability theory, I feel obliged to remind you that you can never have 95% probability when the enemy has to fail 2 saves. The real probability is 0,9025 at best.
And for each single point of an enemy's higher saves it diminishes much faster than the probability of a single-save spell.
2) Well, in the game where you mostly fight demons, "outsider" archetype isn't exactly uncommon (and Dismissal has AOE version too, btw).
PK isn't the most universal spell either with its "Mind-effecting" and "Fear" descriptors.
And why would I "end up" with it anyway? What happened to your abuse of Expanded Arsenal? Abjuration is just the beginning! After all, your question was how else I would defeat the vescavor queen, not some other enemy.
3) I dunno how you read my messages, but I was specifically talking about more adequate builds of an average player, not your obscenely minmaxed builds where everyone in the party and their every skill is a slave of a single purpose.
I would never bother with 95% spell success chance on boss, 50% would be more than enough for me.
Finally, that is all hypothetical anyway because we're discussing your playstyle, not mine.
I hate the very idea of focusing my entire party on DC spells and I'd never play like that in the first place.
This enemy is immune to this spell, that enemy is immune to that spell, oh wait, I ran out of them anyway. Gotta rest my old bones by a campfire.
Nothing is immune to an axe with bane of spirit ring and with 24 hour enduring buffs you can swing and swing and swing.