what is the higest ac you can build in this game?

[Slava Ukraini]

Are that possible tank bosses without luck on unfair?

I have find only one video on internet how beat "khorramzadeh unfair"

its a old video. Strange not find any more guides beat thet whole map on unfair.... I guess most people some do it cheat!

How beat whole map without trickster?

[darkholyPL]

I've seen something around 100AC.

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

I've seen something around 100AC.

I google about high ac.... but most of them do not much damage :(

[Yosharian]

The highest AC I've ever calculated was around 150-160

You don't need more than 90, though

Btw this build had 150+ AB and 650 damage a crit so it definitely did damage

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by Yosharian:

The highest AC I've ever calculated was around 150-160

You don't need more than 90, though

Btw this build had 150+ AB and 650 damage a crit so it definitely did damage

show me that build?

[[GOO]The_Happy_Hostage]

I really hope they fix heavy armor so that it's useful. It just flies in the face of logic to be able to get a vastly better AC via dodge and DEX stacking. Evidently the European knights of the middle ages should have all been ninjas...

[Conquista]

if you can kill the boss in two rounds, you can just facetank them with last stand, no luck needed

just get your AC high enough for normal encounters

[mk11]

Originally posted by GOOThe_Happy_Hostage:

I really hope they fix heavy armor so that it's useful. It just flies in the face of logic to be able to get a vastly better AC via dodge and DEX stacking. Evidently the European knights of the middle ages should have all been ninjas...

Not really. The heavy armour was all about protection in the melee when, in game terms, are flat-footed. It may not be the best for fighting dragons, giants, and huge demons. Even when hunting wild boar, lions, etc. heavy armour tended not to be the first choice.

[The Cystocot]

Realistically, anything over 55-60 is kind of a waste, at that point, you're basically invulnerable to everything but a nat20 on all but the last few bosses, and random mythic Vavakias that are more powerful than the final boss.
Personally despise the nat1/20 system, but it's the only way the game can go without a complete combat overhaul to the AC/save rules, I suppose(and i guess ya gotta give the demons a chance when gish builds can easily reach ACs in the high 70-100 range, with saves to match)

[Astral Projection]

60+ isn't hard to get for Dex tanks. Assuming your damage is good you'll rarely get hit.

Leopard pets easily get 70+ AC without barding.

[Corbeau]

60-70 AC is achievable without much effort on a dex character, which is more than enough for Core. With a few degen dips you can get it to be around 90 easily and it should allow you to tank everything on Unfair. I imagine that with some additional optimization you can get it past 100, but there is no real need for that.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Corbeau:

60-70 AC is achievable without much effort on a dex character, which is more than enough for Core. With a few degen dips you can get it to be around 90 easily and it should allow you to tank everything on Unfair. I imagine that with some additional optimization you can get it past 100, but there is no real need for that.

Even on core, 60 (and even 70) is a bit low if you want to tank *everything*. IIrc, there's a Deathsnatcher in Act 4 with +57 Atk (or was it +54 ?). A mob with several attacks at +50 or so (Baphomet, Deskari, just to name those) will likely destroy a tank with only 60 AC.

[Yannir]

Originally posted by mk11:

Originally posted by GOOThe_Happy_Hostage:

I really hope they fix heavy armor so that it's useful. It just flies in the face of logic to be able to get a vastly better AC via dodge and DEX stacking. Evidently the European knights of the middle ages should have all been ninjas...

Not really. The heavy armour was all about protection in the melee when, in game terms, are flat-footed. It may not be the best for fighting dragons, giants, and huge demons. Even when hunting wild boar, lions, etc. heavy armour tended not to be the first choice.

That's mainly just because metal armor is shiny and noisy. Both of which are bad things when hunting. You're not gonna catch anything if they can hear/see you from a mile away. A suit of full plate was pretty much as perfect a protection as it gets. If you came across an armored knight as a soldier wielding just a longsword, you'd be best advised to run away since a sword stands almost 0 chance of doing anything to that plate.

Chainshirts/mail were often used in medieval boar hunting, between layers of clothing, since boars will go into a frenzy when defending themselves/their herds and their tusks/bite can do nasty work on unprotected flesh. You had to hunt boars with a spear because if you don't kill them right away, a wounded boar is likely to go into a frenzy and charge. Unlike a deer that will just try to run away when shot. The tactic was to use the boars own momentum and mass to have it impale itself on the hunting spear. If that didn't work right away, well... shoot. Hunting boars was a manly job back in the day.

[mk11]

Originally posted by Yannir:

Originally posted by mk11:

Not really. The heavy armour was all about protection in the melee when, in game terms, are flat-footed. It may not be the best for fighting dragons, giants, and huge demons. Even when hunting wild boar, lions, etc. heavy armour tended not to be the first choice.

That's mainly just because metal armor is shiny and noisy. Both of which are bad things when hunting. You're not gonna catch anything if they can hear/see you from a mile away. A suit of full plate was pretty much as perfect a protection as it gets. If you came across an armored knight as a soldier wielding just a longsword, you'd be best advised to run away since a sword stands almost 0 chance of doing anything to that plate.

1 vs 1 plate armoured knight on foot versus unarmoured with longsword (or better a leaded mallet and dirk) in an open field, I would put my money on the unarmoured. 10 vs 10 in the same situation, the knights win every time (unless they have just plodded up a hill in mud under archery fire). Put the knight on horseback unless it is a group of footmen with polearms, they know how to use, the knight is much better.

A suit of platemail is almost zero protection against a massive swinging weight (e.g. giants club). The only option is to dodge it.

Chainshirts/mail were often used in medieval boar hunting, between layers of clothing, since boars will go into a frenzy when defending themselves/their herds and their tusks/bite can do nasty work on unprotected flesh. You had to hunt boars with a spear because if you don't kill them right away, a wounded boar is likely to go into a frenzy and charge. Unlike a deer that will just try to run away when shot. The tactic was to use the boars own momentum and mass to have it impale itself on the hunting spear. If that didn't work right away, well... shoot. Hunting boars was a manly job back in the day.

Light or medium armour for hunting certainly, but heavy armour less so.

[236403mo]

Originally posted by mk11:

1 vs 1 plate armoured knight on foot versus unarmoured with longsword (or better a leaded mallet and dirk) in an open field, I would put my money on the unarmoured.

With longsword the unarmored guy would struggle heavily to do any damage to full plate suit user. With mallet - yes he could do damage but he'd still need to work for it while the armored guy can do a lot of damage with just about any weapon since his opponent has no armor so any weapon is lethal. Unarmored guy would suffer greatly even from fairly weak and unsuccessful blows. There is a reason why armor was considered so much better than no armor.

[Yannir]

Originally posted by mk11:

1 vs 1 plate armoured knight on foot versus unarmoured with longsword (or better a leaded mallet and dirk) in an open field, I would put my money on the unarmoured. 10 vs 10 in the same situation, the knights win every time (unless they have just plodded up a hill in mud under archery fire). Put the knight on horseback unless it is a group of footmen with polearms, they know how to use, the knight is much better.

A suit of platemail is almost zero protection against a massive swinging weight (e.g. giants club). The only option is to dodge it.

I wouldn't. You can dodge in full plate too. A knight with proper training can do backflips in full plate. It's barely a hindrance at all after you get used to the weight of the armor. Personally I'd just charge the other dude since their weapon can't do anything to you unless they manage to trip you.

With better-suited weapons the soldier has a better chance. The giant too.