Divine Grace as non LG

[BLACKOUT MATTER-420:GUCCIGANG]

Hey yo, is it possible to get divine grace as a non lawful good char? cant find any info. i would love to start as a paladin. but for rp reasons i dont want to go Lawful Good. and as far as i know, i would lose divine grace if i shift to CG from LG.

[ChakraDarrat]

nope. it's alignment locked

[Gorilla]

Paladin can only have the Lawful Good alignment, regardless of Divine Grace.

[jsaving]

Correct, but note that the game does offer two spells that temporarily give you charisma-to-saves without needing to level up as a paladin. One is the 2nd level paladin spell "bestow grace," which works on any good-aligned character, and the other is the 7th level cleric/oracle spell "bestow grace of the champion," which works on any lawful good character.

[Conquista]

i think the final revelation of ancestor mystery for oracle will also give charisma to saving throws, but that is a 20 level investment

[Veganleader1]

Originally posted by jsaving:

Correct, but note that the game does offer two spells that temporarily give you charisma-to-saves without needing to level up as a paladin. One is the 2nd level paladin spell "bestow grace," which works on any good-aligned character, and the other is the 7th level cleric/oracle spell "bestow grace of the champion," which works on any lawful good character.

What this means to me is that my Seelah and Sosiel end up having pretty nice saves. Paired with Greater Enduring Spells they have a great buff on a 24 hour duration. Bestow Grace is a 1minute/lvl spell so this works nice. Bestow Grace of the Champion is a 1round/lvl spell and would I think need a Cleric/Oracle with a combined Angel spellbook or a properly built Mystic Theurge Legend to get 24hr duration. I believe I remember seeing crpgBro say they stack on the same character.

Thus if you have an MC who is LG and meets these criteria, they can get double stacking for themselves and Seelah and Sosiel and/or Daeran. Am I right here?

[jsaving]

The two spells grant different bonus types in Wrath so they will stack with each other when cast on a LG character. However, bestow grace of the champion doesn't stack with divine grace so your total save bonus is capped at x2 charisma bonus whether you're a paladin or some other class.

[Azure-Ghost]

Originally posted by Conquista:

i think the final revelation of ancestor mystery for oracle will also give charisma to saving throws, but that is a 20 level investment

Well since for most cases the defenses of a mount are taken when riding one, you could technically get charisma to saverolls for every party member riding an animal if you have an nature oracle in your party with the revelation that gives all animals in a 30ft rad. arround the oracle saving throw bonus based on the oracles charisma (which is their mainstat)
This revelation is available from lvl 1 (though i would take the one that gives a pet/mount first)
Or am i missing something here?

[Veganleader1]

Originally posted by jsaving:

The two spells grant different bonus types in Wrath so they will stack with each other when cast on a LG character. However, bestow grace of the champion doesn't stack with divine grace so your total save bonus is capped at x2 charisma bonus whether you're a paladin or some other class.

Oh that is good to know.