Build Database?

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To be honest i really like the idea of the game but the start of the game is just overwhelming - i like complexity but not like this - this is a nightmare for any new player that doesnt want to play a pre-made character. The more complex a game is the better the explanations need to be etc.

I did a lot of searching but i havent found something i thought would exist for sure - a build database?

Is there such a thing for this game with various builds by other players one can look at and adapt etc.?


Im also having a hard time to understand what i am missing out - for example - if i make a sage sorcerer - does that mean i will loose lots of dialogue options since i wont use much points for charisma etc.? Also why do so many of the decisions impact so much of late game stuff - its as if the game is trying to make it impossible to make a build you like - and even more impossible to even realize what you are doing when so many decisions are about late game mechanics you know nothing about?


Last but not least - why is the actual character creation (visuals) the last thing you do? For example i try to make a charactger but XY is limited to YZ - later on i find out i dont even want that race because of the visuals and have to restart all over again - same applys to portraits - whats the point of picking a portrait first when you later on realize you can make nothing thats looks even remotely like your portrait?

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And just to be clear - i dont want this game to become less complex but the complexity requires way more guidance and help for new players. I wonder how many people start this game and never even finish character creation and maybe even refund.

[5chneemensch]

I can't decide on a build, they always feel awful in a certain aspect or there is so much choice that I don't kow if the choice I make is good (enough) or a straight downgrade compared to another choice.

Analysis Paralysis is a real thing man. It screws me.

[Zloth]

You have something that helps ALL classes: a choice in difficulty. This one even lets you dink around with the specifics. Pick a fairly low'ish difficulty, make something more-or-less like you want, and play it for a while until you understand the mechanics.

While you're at it, use the photo mode. Hold down the middle mouse button to zoom in on your character and take a screenshot. You can then use Irfanview or whatever to crop your own character portraits. Then start the game again, making adjustments as needed, and use your custom option for a portrait that looks correct.

OR make sure the option to let you rebuild your character is turned on in the difficulty settings. That will let you respec once you learn what you're doing. (I'm not sure if it lets you assign a new portrait, though.)

[Conquista]

there are alot of builds on sites or videos out there, problem is not all of them are uptodate because alot of stuff changes from patch to patch

[.O.]

a build database cannot really truly exist for a game like this, because the whole point is to allow people to do whatever they want.

In saying that, if it is your first time and you are brand new, you can always pick a base class and let the auto level create the character for you. Just pick a difficulty that is Normal or below.

When the auto level does the leveling, try to understand why it picked those options.

IMO none of the auto level choices are optimal, but they are perfectly viable and sufficient for Normal or lower difficulties.

Originally posted by ....:

Last but not least - why is the actual character creation (visuals) the last thing you do? For example i try to make a charactger but XY is limited to YZ - later on i find out i dont even want that race because of the visuals and have to restart all over again - same applys to portraits - whats the point of picking a portrait first when you later on realize you can make nothing thats looks even remotely like your portrait?

considering you're mainly looking at them from an isometric point of view, most of the visuals don't really come into play that often. That being said with the EE they have added transmog options and photo mode etc for people who care more about visuals.

Also iirc they do show you roughly what your character will look like very early on, like I think during class selection? so you can go to the race, then go back one step and look at what you might look like in the class selection screen. It is a bit weird that it's not race first then class, but it still works well enough.

[ayrtep]

I used a cheat mod to create a save - standing next to Hilor with max experience and mythic levels - then removed the mod.

I can use this save to experiment different builds. So I have built up my own dictionary of builds.

[mk11]

Originally posted by ayrtep:

I used a cheat mod to create a save - standing next to Hilor with max experience and mythic levels - then removed the mod.

I can use this save to experiment different builds. So I have built up my own dictionary of builds.

If you have the Inevitable Excess DLC you can create a max level character in that then go to the camp at the start of the quest and have some idea what the character might be like with end game equipment. You could also use Hilor at that time to respec.

[Yosharian]

Originally posted by ....:

To be honest i really like the idea of the game but the start of the game is just overwhelming - i like complexity but not like this - this is a nightmare for any new player that doesnt want to play a pre-made character. The more complex a game is the better the explanations need to be etc.

I did a lot of searching but i havent found something i thought would exist for sure - a build database?

Is there such a thing for this game with various builds by other players one can look at and adapt etc.?


Im also having a hard time to understand what i am missing out - for example - if i make a sage sorcerer - does that mean i will loose lots of dialogue options since i wont use much points for charisma etc.? Also why do so many of the decisions impact so much of late game stuff - its as if the game is trying to make it impossible to make a build you like - and even more impossible to even realize what you are doing when so many decisions are about late game mechanics you know nothing about?


Last but not least - why is the actual character creation (visuals) the last thing you do? For example i try to make a charactger but XY is limited to YZ - later on i find out i dont even want that race because of the visuals and have to restart all over again - same applys to portraits - whats the point of picking a portrait first when you later on realize you can make nothing thats looks even remotely like your portrait?

I have made a set of builds for a main character on the Trickster path and 5 companions using the respec mod. Dunno if that's helpful for you. You can find it in the Steam guides section by looking for my name.

You might be able to adapt the companion builds into main character builds.

You don't have to build a Charisma-based character, your allies can help you with the vast majority of checks.

[seaston]

I understand completely how overwhelming starting this game as a beginner can be. I wanted to show you an excellent youtuber who thoroughly explains his builds. Also, with his builds go to the "show more" section of each build video, This guy includes a spreadsheet for each build! which is very useful. It should be enough to get you headed in the right direction. To start go directly to his playlist called "Pathfinder: WotR Theme Builds"

https://www.youtube.com/c/SlanderedGaming/playlists

Also, once your a bit more familiar with the process of making a character, "cRPG Bro" is another youtuber with great builds. he doesn't include spreadsheets, but he is really good at explaining them, try the first guy i mentioned first though. good luck!

[darkholyPL]

This guy has a lot of builds on his YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/cRPGBro
He goes level by level and tells you what to pick and why. He mostly does builds for Unfair, but if it works on Unfair it will work for any difficulty.