this game vs kingmaker?

[T21]

I am thinking of buying it because I see that it has more character customization, but I would like to know if it is worth it, its duration, etc.
Thank you

[Vertanius]

I would say this one is better than kingmaker in every way, the only thing kingmaker has over it is that its complete, we're still waiting on all DLCs in WOTR.

[Trickst3r83]

I really prefer this game, no more kingdome management pain, more possible and creative char builds and customizing, the DLC afaik are a bit lacking in terms of content though and aren't as good (deducted that from ready their reviews) I'm just having a lot more fun playing this game at my own pace, exploring everything I can and know the lore around the world, and I'm not even in Act 1 yet, I never managed to complete the first game but I think I will eventually in this one

[Schlumpsha]

Both are equally long in terms of gameplay. You can easily invest 150 hours to over 200 hours on a single playthrough. Or even more if you play turrnbased.

WotR's plot flow is better than Kingmaker in my opinion. But WotR is also as epic fantasy as it gets. Some who prefer a more classy fantasy setting usually find Kingmaker more appealing.

In terms of game mechanics, WotR is far more complex: more classes, more archetypes, more races, mythic ranks, multiple paths to become a supernatural entity (Angel, Gold Dragon, Azata, Aeon, Legend, Trickster, Devil, Lich, Swarm that Walks and Demon), and even mounted combat. But this also means that new players become far more overwhelmed than with Kingmaker with its fewer mechanics.

It is really up to you.

[FredDie]

I like the story of the 1st game better. Also found characters to be more entertaining in Kingmaker...nok nok.

[MattStriker]

I'd agree that this game is an improvement over Kingmaker but with one notable caveat:

Kingmaker has a lot of lush, green environments mixed in with the usual dreary ruins and dungeons.

In Wrath...well, it starts in a post-apocalyptic hellscape and gets worse from there.

There's a scant handful of maps that don't look like they've been hit by multiple nukes followed by a plague demon sharting all over the remains and the mood gets a bit depressing.

In Kingmaker there's a strong theme of building and growing. In Wrath, you'll establish your home base but that's as far as any improvement to the region goes until the epilogue. Instead of building a home, you're the invader conducting raids into hostile territory.

I kind of preferred Kingmaker thematically for those reasons, even though as mentioned in terms of mechanics, characters and other details Wrath is an across-the-board upgrade.

[T21]

thank u all!

[Slava Ukraini]

I like first game more....

[Corbeau]

Kingmaker has better story and is set in an amazing setting. WotR has more regular good vs evil vibe. However, when it comes to gameplay and replayability - WotR introduces several mechanics which make the game better than its predecessor. So, both games are worth playing, it is simply easier to spend more quality time in WotR.

[x_equals_speed]

Wrath now is in a better state than Kingmaker was when it had been out for this long, but at the moment Kingmaker is the better game to play because it's less buggy.

[Maraxus]

Why not both? xD

[Immortal Reaver]

Story is better in Kingmaker. It has better writing. It is less buggy. It has Kingdom managment at core of the game.
Wrath has more options, Mythics where you can become demigod. More reactivity. HoMM V instead of KManagment.
If you want to eventually play both, go Kingmaker first. If you WotR go first you will really miss things like QoL features, more races and classes.
Kingmaker is harder and/or more complcated in managment of kingdom, combat is easier. WotR is harder and/or more complicated in combat department and building character, HoMM is easy.

[asnjas19]

Kingmaker so far has a better story and typical rpg flow and exploration.

Wrathmaker has much better character customization and class options. Also more interesting companion quests. Arushlae is interesting, fire is cute with some funny interactions with other storyline major players.

[Freak4Leeks]

WOTR no contest.

[EasternTime]

I have a controversial opinion: I actually like Kingmaker more. First, Kingmaker's modding scene is great, and Call of the Wild mod is absolutely fantastic. It opens so many new classes and classfeatures to play, much more than a sequel. For example, Witch is plainly better in Call of the WIld since she have her class-specific feats (Split Hex, Accursed Hex, etc), which allowed me to complete the game on hard on Witch without much build-crunching.
Second, the expected power of party is lower, with no epic powers. Which means less bullcrap enemies, less resistanses, less saves and AC, and less difficulty swings. Although you must be prepared for them even in Kingmaker, since level of party power is still relatively high when compared to tabletop - 2 extra people in a party, 10 more ability points and much higher wealth are no joke.
Non-buffing casters are generaly more useful in Kingmaker since their powers work more often.
I completed Kingmaker twice on Hard, but even one playthrough of WotR on Core broke me.

[x_equals_speed]

Originally posted by EasternTime:

Non-buffing casters are generaly more useful in Kingmaker since their powers work more often.

Shhh, you can't say things like that. You'll summon that guy who believes everyone should be using the same exploits he is and when you do casters are unstoppable so any discussion of the game or its mechanics must assume everyone is building that way.