What's Daeran FOR?

[Fluffykeith]

As a party member....what's his gig? He seems like a healer and I was thinking of using him rather than Ember (because I can't bring myself to be evil around her...she doesn't fit a Lich run campaign), but the problem is that Ember is so damn useful with her Hexes and blasts...and I'm just not sure how to build Daeran to make up for not having her with me.

[Gregorovitch]

Normally I would say Ember and Daeran fulfil different roles. Daeran competes for his place in the squad with Solseil, Ember competes for hers with Nenio.

[Orion Invictus]

Daeran is a healer/buffer. Your problem is that you're trying to use Ember for healing. She's meant to deal damage.

[Fluffykeith]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Daeran is a healer/buffer. Your problem is that you're trying to use Ember for healing. She's meant to deal damage.

But that's the thing, if I build her using the recommended build / auto-level, she gets a whole bag of healing abilities...and she ends up being pretty great at healing, nuking things and debuffing. She's just all round useful.

I'm not having issues at all with HER, I'm having issues working out who to bring if I DON'T bring her.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Fluffykeith:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Daeran is a healer/buffer. Your problem is that you're trying to use Ember for healing. She's meant to deal damage.

But that's the thing, if I build her using the recommended build / auto-level, she gets a whole bag of healing abilities...and she ends up being pretty great at healing, nuking things and debuffing. She's just all round useful.

I'm not having issues at all with HER, I'm having issues working out who to bring if I DON'T bring her.

The auto-level is a different matter. What I do know is that if you do it manually and focus on damage, she will deal more damage than basically anyone else. I also know that Daeran is supposed to be a healer and will be far more competent than her.

[gmwaddington]

Daeren should get a wolf companion from the Second Mystery (Nature) mythic ability. Later he should provide animal companions with a huge buff to saves with the Friend to Animals revelation. I equip him with the Red Salamander Ring to boost his capability as a damage dealer. Creeping Doom can sometimes be useful against enemies, particularly when combined with Mark of Justice to bypass DR.

I have him buff party members with Magic Vestment and Shield of Faith (My MC buffs with Barkskin). He also casts the standard divine buffs like Prayer and Burst of Glory.

I followed this video for Daren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix7sqrucKoM&t=279s

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by gmwaddington:

Daeren should get a wolf companion from the Second Mystery (Nature) mythic ability. Later he should provide animal companions with a huge buff to saves with the Friend to Animals revelation. I equip him with the Red Salamander Ring to boost his capability as a damage dealer. Creeping Doom can sometimes be useful against enemies, particularly when combined with Mark of Justice to bypass DR.

I followed this video for Daren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix7sqrucKoM&t=279s

OP is using auto-level.

[gmwaddington]

I guess auto-level could be the issue then (I've never used it).

[Fluffykeith]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by gmwaddington:

Daeren should get a wolf companion from the Second Mystery (Nature) mythic ability. Later he should provide animal companions with a huge buff to saves with the Friend to Animals revelation. I equip him with the Red Salamander Ring to boost his capability as a damage dealer. Creeping Doom can sometimes be useful against enemies, particularly when combined with Mark of Justice to bypass DR.

I followed this video for Daren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix7sqrucKoM&t=279s

OP is using auto-level.

I have used Auto-level for Ember, but I'm happy to use manual too

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Fluffykeith:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

OP is using auto-level.

I have used Auto-level for Ember, but I'm happy to use manual too

In that case, just find a build guide you like and follow it.

[Hex]

Summons and buffs. Ember is the worst healer anyways.

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by Hex:

Summons and buffs. Ember is the worst healer anyways.

Camellia is a worse healer than Ember.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Originally posted by Hex:

Summons and buffs. Ember is the worst healer anyways.

Camellia is a worse healer than Ember.

Camellia is a tank. That's like saying Seelah is a bad healer.

DUH

Ember is only good for Hexes and Rayblasting.

[hilburnashua]

if you are willing to turn off the auto leveler (something I think everyone would suggest is a good idea) there are two rings and a bracer in this game that give spontaneous casters access to spells they normally don't have as if it is in their spell list. One ring gives most of the best fire spells (fireball, improved fireball, hellfire ray, firestorm) and is purchasable in Act 2 off the cleric vendor.

The bracer gives access to lightning bolt, chain lightning and storm bolts, and the two call lightning spells and allow you to convert all elemental damage spells to lightning. Bracers can be acquired in Act 3.

The last ring does most of the higher level cold spells like polar ray, tsunami (I think), cone of cold and can be acquired in act 4 in the tower.

So any spontaneous caster can be turned into quite the nuker by taking the right feats and mythic abilities. Although in that case you do have to turn off the autoleveler. Because of his higher base Charisma score Daerun has a higher base DC on his AoE spells which tends to make him a better nuker then Ember. But Ember also get Hellfire and Scorching Ray as part of her class which makes her a potentially high damage single target killer.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Hex:

Ember is only good for Hexes and Rayblasting.

You say that like those two things aren't enough to punch a hole through the vast majority of enemies.

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Camellia is a worse healer than Ember.

Camellia is a tank. That's like saying Seelah is a bad healer.

DUH

Ember is only good for Hexes and Rayblasting.

You referred to Ember as a healer; Camellia is a healer in the same sense. That is, their main role is elsewhere but they have access to healing spells.