Annoying Feat Tax, looks like someone forgot about the other races

[totote97]

I have like 2 full years of experience in tabletop Pathfinder so i know that human and fighter are the two things that let you get more feats in game, but in a game in where even the most common enemy (Dretch) have, 2 dmg inmunities 10 res to the other three elemental dmg, 5 DR except cold iron is a joke, there is a ton of feats that is take it or suck the entire game, like all the three spell pen, all the weapon asociates to get those +1 AB, so every race that is not a human with the +1 feat on level 1 really have a bad time.

[Dindomir]

You get mythics to offset those problems. Also make sure you can retrain, but that might be a bother if you are too far into the campaign.

[totote97]

I am talking that even at the start the game sucks, being as all the dmg from my kineticist is reduced from the WEAKEST DEMON (or inmune if was lighting) does not feel good, and that is just one of the ton of examples i can throw.

Happens the same with my casters, either i go magic missile and get some low secure dmg or i try to use the real powerhouse elemental dmg for all of them to get reduced.

And about retrain remember than only the first ones are free so there is a problem there also.

I would prefer if the game by vanilla would have the DOS II magic mirror, so i only have to spend on new characters and not on both retraining and getting new chars

[Vae Victis]

I think kineticist is kind of meh until 12-13? But its one of the strongest classes in the game, seem some nutty stuff on the youtubes with kineticist.

[totote97]

i was having a lot of fun killing humans, since those don't have so many resistances but then the demons started to appear everywhere, also who thought that was a good idea to have a VROC as a random event enemy on lvl 3!!!

[totote97]

does not help at all that a ton of fun builds that i would use on PnP are not here, since the feats or archetypes don't exist or even class features like Aether and Void kineticist.

Anyway as i first pointed, what happen to the other races? is the game even balanced thinking on them? as is obvious the game balance is made thinking in the specific cookie cutter feat selection and +1 feat seems better than most race features, i doubt things like halflings or gnomes are even useful.

[Raikon]

Early game resistances are definately a problem. I know some poeple praise kineticists, but I never really got into them. I do like the dark one though. It has a great photo in my portraits.

[totote97]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Early game resistances are definately a problem. I know some poeple praise kineticists, but I never really got into them. I do like the dark one though. It has a great photo in my portraits.

Well avatar base clase is a really fun fantasy, also kineticist are the favorite class of one of my friends so i tried to build one ingame since is faster than looking for a table where i live.

Also is a MUST having a cold iron weapon and if you can't find one because your weapon is too rare, well.... sucks to be you, because even if is a heavy hitter -5 or more DR is gonna really hurt your dmg.

[Vae Victis]

You will get to ignore resistances with mythic feats, which will be really good when it starts taking off. But yeah its kinda lame when your main character is getting carried for parts of the game.

Respec a bunch, its truly not going to stop you from buying items, spells, scrolls, crusade materials. 12k might be a lot early on, but 12k is one vendor item in later acts. I usually stop picking up but the best stuff in act 4 and still get more money than I need.

[totote97]

The problem is that the game is an entire journey you can't just throw balance on the middle of the game, the idea is to being fun the entire time, i know that most classes features start to shine in lvl 5 but from level 5 to mythic there is a big difference.

Also if the Core or normal difficulty is balanced around Min/Maxing then remove all those useless flavor feats or too situational to add any kind of difference to the gameplay, since there is already a MUST list, they should just add the to all those feats.

[Yannir]

Well, Dretch's are demons. They get a bunch of natural resistances and immunities from their race regardless of level. WotR just happens to be a campaign that's focused on fighting demons.

Core difficulty is entirely playable with some planning but very little min-maxing. You know, do builds that make sense and are focused, think about your party composition, etc.
For example, "melee" is not a focus, it's a general direction. Are they a DPS, a tank or a controller? A bit of 2 of those? Are they Dex, Str or Wis based? What's important for the build you're crafting?

IMO cRPGs should have a learning curve and depth. That's what makes them great for the vast majority of people that enjoy playing them. That does mean they become overwhelming for the average gamer that's used to the simple choices that regular RPGs throw at them.

[totote97]

i don't know if you are trying to be annoying or helpful, yeah i know what a build is, and that i need to adapt but was is the idea of showing the average player a bunch of feats that are literally noob traps, the game have a ton of weapons (similar to tabletop), again a noob trap, there is a ton of classes and sub classes, again, not all are really usable, i know how to play pathfinder and how to progress, but there you are basically saying "git gut" when a lot of people are pointing clear balance problems.

I know how to play pathfinder i am capable of progressing through the game but not everyone knows the rules and there is some feats, abilities and classes really poorly explained.

[totote97]

Tells a lot about the game balance that you literally have a tool to look the entire bestiary page of an enemy for free, without a recall knowledge, perception or anything

for example is ridicule that a character based on lightning dmg is useless to anything that is a demon because a lot of them are inmune an the other half have resistances.

[Conquista]

a lightning damage character can dmg their foes after chapter 1, just pick ascendant element

[Yannir]

Originally posted by totote97:

Tells a lot about the game balance that you literally have a tool to look the entire bestiary page of an enemy for free, without a recall knowledge, perception or anything

for example is ridicule that a character based on lightning dmg is useless to anything that is a demon because a lot of them are inmune an the other half have resistances.

...until level 5 when you get your first Mythic Rank and can pick Ascended Element to get around those. The whole Kenabres area is just the prologue to your Mythic journey.

As to your question, a bit of both. Provoking makes people wordy and gets me more information so I can help you better. Ofc if you're just venting, it can't be helped, and I'm not here to offer sympathy to people that don't take advice.

[Ceana of the Crags]

Originally posted by totote97:

I have like 2 full years of experience in tabletop so i know that human and fighter are the two things that let you get more feats in game, but in a game in where even the most common enemy (Dretch) have, 2 dmg inmunities 10 res to the other three elemental dmg, 5 DR except cold iron is a joke, there is a ton of feats that is take it or suck the entire game, like all the three spell pen, all the weapon asociates to get those +1 AB, so every race that is not a human with the +1 feat on level 1 really have a bad time.

2 WHOLE years? Do you know how absurd that sounds to people, who started playing D&D back in 1977? People, who had easily 30 years of PnP (what you call "table-top") gaming? It is Pen and Paper gaming. Back when, feats didn't exist. They changed throughout the editions, even after they were introduced, and now there are many different game constructions.

You presumably mean that you played Pathfinder PnP for 2 years. And, you assume that they are not at liberty to alter the game mechanics, when they create a new computer-based game, it would seem.