Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Selvokaz May 22, 2022 @ 8:48am
What was the general opinion on Druid?
I'm asking because I believe it was negative due to the lack of spell diversity, and the weakness of Wildshape. I ask because im working on a build that kind of makes up for it.
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seeker1 May 22, 2022 @ 9:01am 
I played one. I enjoyed it. As always, I found the best wild shapes of course are only there once the druid is high level. I think the problem is in this game, their spell diversity isn't THAT much greater than the shaman (whereas in PnP I believe it is) ... as an Azata druid, I didn't do that much melee, but then I had my animal companion and havoc dragon to take care of that for me.

I'm not one who goes into the weeds on stats and efficiency, though. So if that's the kind of opinion you want, you probably want someone else's than mine. They do have one weird deficit, which is that even with heavy armor feats, they still can't wear metal armor. Still, there are some alternatives you can find.
katzenkrimis May 22, 2022 @ 9:03am 
Found some loot last night, expensive stuff, that was for a druid.

I had to sell it, but it looked good. It was specifically for Wildshape.

That was around level 14 or 15.
Last edited by katzenkrimis; May 22, 2022 @ 9:06am
Včelí medvídek May 22, 2022 @ 9:09am 
Yeah, did not played myself but sure there is lot of stuff for wildshape boost.. so if this is your cup of tea. Possibly not too exciting as divine caster.
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t May 22, 2022 @ 9:15am 
People think Druids are weak? I disagree.
Having an animal companion and 9th level spells automatically makes you a strong class. Being able to merge spellbook with Angel is just icing on the cake.
Wildshape is underwhelming but Druids really shouldn't be fighting in the melee. That is what their pet is for. They should be treated as backline casters.
Their spells are more offensive than Clerics, especially at higher spell levels. Compare a clerics 9th level spells with a Druids. Night and day difference when it comes to variety,
They are also exceptional at summoning and buffing animal companions.
Mr Fred May 22, 2022 @ 9:15am 
Its a viable class that will always be below average when compared to literally any other caster or melee.

Personally I would have more fun with a 10 in every stats mono class fighter than a min/max druid if you really must know where I rank them...
Last edited by Mr Fred; May 22, 2022 @ 9:16am
Schlumpsha May 22, 2022 @ 9:32am 
Druids somehow always got the short end of the stick. Not just because of lacking crucial spells. Or the absence of any nature-themed NEUTRAL mythic path. (Latter which def should be a thing in WotR. Truly mind boggling.)

But also because the wild shapes are unfairly biased towards mammals. Both Kingmaker and WotR feature a wide range of animals that could be utilized for wild shapes: giant frog, giant lizard, giant eagle, mastodon, boar, moose, thylacine, triceratops and velociraptor to name a few. But nooo... we're stuck with wolves, bears, leopards and smilodons. Boring. Same with plant wild shapes. Why no mandragora or venus fly trap? Why limit plant shapes to shambling mound only? *grumble*

Having more exotic pets would have been a worthy addition to WotR as well. Specially with the whole mounting going on. Giant slugs, giant frogs, giant flies, thylacines and giant eagles all are fair game in PnP. Their assets are done and ready for re-use. No reason not to have them around. *grumble2*
Last edited by Schlumpsha; May 22, 2022 @ 9:37am
I had an amazing time with Primal Druid, getting HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE and slashing things with Wide Sweep.
Ilja May 22, 2022 @ 9:42am 
Originally posted by Schlumpsha:
But also because the wild shapes are unfairly biased towards mammals. Both Kingmaker and WotR feature a wide range of animals that could be utilized for wild shapes

While I agree, I would not mind single form druid either, where form you have adopted as your Wildshape form would also grow stronger, when druid develops.

It would be cool to adopt a form like a bear (for example) and just focus on developing your character around it.

I dislike turning in to elemental, but of course the most powerful form available would be Huge Elemental. :AngryOwlcat:

By the way: Smilodon is already available for druid at level 10.
Stink Bug May 22, 2022 @ 10:37am 
I had fun with my rampager Demon Druid, who was also pretty strong in wildshape, but unfortunately the class is missing too many key spells, Summons are limited to one choice per level, Wildshape is intentionally nerfed from what it should be and missing feats as well, and as a bonus middle finger Owlcat refuses to add Woodland Stride despite it already being implemented in Fey bloodline sorcerer, and also took away slings in Kingmaker (one of the druids few native ranged options).

Frostbite, Produce Flame, Flameblade, Shillelagh etc would have helped out at low levels, Explosion of Rot and Strong Jaw later on. Being able to choose things like Stirges, Satyrs, Elementals with Summon Nature's Ally would have made the spontaneous casting more useful as well. Planar and Powerful Wildshape feats and Feral Combat Training would have added more versatility to that feature, as would expanding the available shapes. In PnP for instance, you would be able to become a Medium Leopard with 3 attacks at level 4, a Large Smilodon with 3 attacks and Pounce at level 6, and a Huge Mastodon with trample at level 8, in addition to the Plant forms too at various levels. Note all those creature models were already implemented in Kingmaker.

If anyone has played Kingmaker with the Call of the Wild mod, that adds everything I just talked about except the summon expansion and Smilodon at 6, and Druids are way more fun, powerful, and versatile as consequence.
Ilja May 22, 2022 @ 10:49am 
I just passed some hard battles with my Summoner/Loremaster. Suddenly I want to try Feyspeaker Druid.

Restarterius strikes again and there is no know cure. :ShockedOwlcat:
Selvokaz May 23, 2022 @ 4:01am 
"A bit of Fun" Angel into Gold Dragon Druid 12 Loremaster 8 was the build skeleton I was looking toward to fix the druid over all to me, though i admit it is kind of late game it really does from a theory point of view cover all bases and adds to its strengths. Druid if i call had the highest skill points per lv from any 9th lv caster which makes such a druid easily a knowledge bank (All 4 lores max rank per lv) and with my current druid still allows for them to have max ranks in Persuasion, Perception and Trickery. Wizard Spell Secret for Mage Armor (useful for wildshape and dragon form), Cleric Spell Secret Divine Power pre-Gold Dragon, Rogue Secret Improved Evasion, Combat Secret Dreadful Carnage since you can ignore the prerequisites.. Theoretically it's looking decent right now shes only 10th lv though.
Gorwe May 23, 2022 @ 6:04am 
Druid is broad, but not broad enough, if that makes sense to you. It's also lacking an archetype focused on casting like Halcyon. It is kinda ok due to all the redundancy, but ask yourself this:

"Would I take a Druid over the Cleric(Ecc) of Erastil or Gozreh? Or even over Nature Arcanist"

Thus, I can't really give a positive mark to the Druid. Ok, Ele Rampage is fun(great job on that homebrew), but that's about it. If it had Nature Fang or Halcyon, it'd be much better.
Last edited by Gorwe; May 23, 2022 @ 6:05am
Koveras May 23, 2022 @ 7:03am 
Druids are useful because they're versatile. They get nice buffs, debuffs, and they can enter the fray.
Woldy May 23, 2022 @ 8:58am 
Below avearge i'd say.
Wildshaping is cool but the amount of damage and defence you get from it can be gained by a fighter naturally but outright still perform better.

Druid is a flavor class in my eyes, gimicky you might say.
[Slayer] May 23, 2022 @ 9:26am 
If you go druid with 1 level in monk you can get wisdom to AC. I agree that druids could use better spells. However, my boar with mythic companion is better than a pure fighter with all the buffs I give it on top of the free dragon if going Azata path. So I think its kinda OP since you are kinda just a summoner and buff bot until later in the game.
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Date Posted: May 22, 2022 @ 8:48am
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