Teamwork feats to go with?

[e11]

I just hit level 11, and I'm thinking of trying these, finally. Both my own paladin and Seelah are mounted, but I neglected to raise the mounts' intelligence enough for them to take teamwork. But I can fix that at level 12. I'm wondering if in the meantime I should just take the same teamwork feat for my pally and Seelah, and have them stick close together.

What do you think? Which one would you recommend?

[Dryad]

Outflank is one of the best ones since it doubles the flanking bonus for every melee character. An extra +2 to hit is not small.

[Nismu]

outflank+seize the moment (requires combat reflex) are nice for every melee, bit of luck and there are massive attack chains and ever ready muthic ability adds nice bonuses to all attack of opportunities.

shake it off giving ++saves is nice too.

[katzenkrimis]

Definitely use teamwork feats.

I have five teamwork feats for most of my teammates.

I like them, but I wouldn't recommend using more than five because there are other feats that are important, too. Like weapon and armour feats.

I use:

Shake It Off, Coordinated Defense, Shield Wall, Coordinated Maneuvers, and Outflank.

[gmwaddington]

Shake it Off, Outflank and Seize the Moment are my go-to Teamwork Feats.

[forkofspite]

I'll echo others with Outflank, but I don't think Seize the Moment is worth it unless you have multiple archers (combat reflexes is still worth it, though). Outflank grants AOOs on crits, so you don't really need Seize the Moment for melee types except to help your archers.

Shake it Off is an excellent choice, but it'll be more useful for non-paladins. Spellcasting teamwork feats can be okay, but usually there are better choices. Others (such as Tandem Trip) are build and party composition specific.

[Včelí medvídek]

I am now intrested in one think - you can have and benefit teamwork feats if you share it with animal companion you mount?

[mudakonn]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

I am now intrested in one think - you can have and benefit teamwork feats if you share it with animal companion you mount?

Yes of course and these are guaranteed procs coause you always have your "team" under You. Need to upgrade animal companion INT to 3 and then You are ready to go. Very fitting with Shielded caster (+4 to concentration), outflank, shake it off. Too bad animals cannot have shields or have their own touch spells - Centipede should maybe have some melee touch attacks would be fun:)

[e11]

Originally posted by katzenkrimis:

Definitely use teamwork feats.

I have five teamwork feats for most of my teammates.

I like them, but I wouldn't recommend using more than five because there are other feats that are important, too. Like weapon and armour feats.

I use:

Shake It Off, Coordinated Defense, Shield Wall, Coordinated Maneuvers, and Outflank.

Do you mean you give all these feats to each character?

[Invisible]

For Wrath avoid precise strike, because of the rampart damage reduction.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

I am now intrested in one think - you can have and benefit teamwork feats if you share it with animal companion you mount?

Yes of course and these are guaranteed procs coause you always have your "team" under You. Need to upgrade animal companion INT to 3 and then You are ready to go. Very fitting with Shielded caster (+4 to concentration), outflank, shake it off. Too bad animals cannot have shields or have their own touch spells - Centipede should maybe have some melee touch attacks would be fun:)

Tahts great. I thought so but as I had no such companion in my group I was not sure (onzly triceratops from item btu he does not have level progress and feats)

Btw I am now looking on Wildland shaman - are all animal companions available as mount once/if they become Large at lvl 7?

[Invisible]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Yes of course and these are guaranteed procs coause you always have your "team" under You. Need to upgrade animal companion INT to 3 and then You are ready to go. Very fitting with Shielded caster (+4 to concentration), outflank, shake it off. Too bad animals cannot have shields or have their own touch spells - Centipede should maybe have some melee touch attacks would be fun:)

Tahts great. I thought so but as I had no such companion in my group I was not sure (onzly triceratops from item btu he does not have level progress and feats)

Btw I am now looking on Wildland shaman - are all animal companions available as mount once/if they become Large at lvl 7?

It depends on the size of the charcter. Regill can ride the Medium size rides....

All "animal" companions increase size by 1 on level 7. small to medium, medium to large. Horse are large from the beginning and will not get very large....

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by Invisible:

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

Tahts great. I thought so but as I had no such companion in my group I was not sure (onzly triceratops from item btu he does not have level progress and feats)

Btw I am now looking on Wildland shaman - are all animal companions available as mount once/if they become Large at lvl 7?

It depends on the size of the charcter. Regill can ride the Medium size rides....

All "animal" companions increase size by 1 on level 7. small to medium, medium to large. Horse are large from the beginning and will not get very large....

I see.. this lead to question = is there somewhere size of chaarcter visible? I am now in creatin screen with races and can not find such info.. Seems be obvious halfing or gnome is small but I recall some DnD rules that considered dwarf a smedium for their weight and robust body:p or specifically is Half-orc still medium?

[mudakonn]

Only medium and small chars here halfling, gome, dwarf small rest of the bunch medium.

[mna99]

Originally posted by forkofspite:

I'll echo others with Outflank, but I don't think Seize the Moment is worth it unless you have multiple archers (combat reflexes is still worth it, though).

Pretty sure you get extra AoOs if you have both feats in melee. A Rogue with Outflank, Seize the Moment, and Opportunist can get three AoOs off one crit from an ally. It gets a little spammy, and it's somewhat overkill, but it's funny.

[jutschi78]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

I am now intrested in one think - you can have and benefit teamwork feats if you share it with animal companion you mount?

Yes of course and these are guaranteed procs coause you always have your "team" under You. Need to upgrade animal companion INT to 3 and then You are ready to go. Very fitting with Shielded caster (+4 to concentration), outflank, shake it off. Too bad animals cannot have shields or have their own touch spells - Centipede should maybe have some melee touch attacks would be fun:)

The hunter give ur teamwork feats automatic to ur AC, so you spare muchs feats on ur companion. Chev (and some arcetypes of other classes) can share their teamwork feats with the party for some rounds via (greater) tactican.

One skald achetype can share their teamworkfeats with the whole party with their skaldsong too.

Azata mythic frienship superpower gives you 2 teamworkfeats and lets share all ur teamworkfeats all the time, as long they are in reach (great in combination with a nirmal skald, who share their rage powers with the party).

The best 2 teamwork feats are, as said, outflank and shake it off. Other are useful, but not as strong.