Recommendations for Demon Mythic Path Class?

[New Willinium]

So I've taken a bit of a break from Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous after putting in around 240 hours straight upon the release of the game, and having come back now that this latest DLC has dropped and hooked back into it to try again.

And after loving my Oracle/Angel, Witch/Lich, and Cult-Leader/Aeon/Devil characters (for that latter one I would suggest against Warpriest simply because your Abilities tab gets extremely comically bloated) I've been struggling to start a new game simply because I have no idea what to do for the Demon path.

So I initially touched Demon on my first blind playthrough on release, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the Demon Path unique missions, and lucked out into becoming a Golden Dragon before abandoning a save that had become nigh-unplayable after so many patches, and now so many months later coming back and I am eager to see just what it can do.

Because I remember the Demon Mythic Path being one of the most versatile of the paths because of how powerful the Demon Aspects were, as well as the Tele-Charge-frag ability, I've been looking at the class list and just trying to figure out what would be the most fun experience.

I know that I want at least a partial spellcaster, but one that can be build for melee as well, and while that cuts down on many options it also gives me a lot more as well.

Do I ape my first blind playthrough and go with the Bloodrager? As I understand the Blood-Rage and Demon Rage abilities don't stack properly and the Bloodrager's spell-list is nothing impressive even as they level up (I have no idea how Metamagic for them actually works and I can only figure that getting a 4th level spell at level 18 means that you can only empower it for meager effects) and though it works thematically I have no idea how practical it is.

Or do I look to my other playthroughs and grab a Witch Variant or pull a Baphomet and be a Cult-Leader Demon?

The latter would synergize well and also give for a odd mix of Arcane and Divine magic in twain as one levels progresses, while the former has the benefit of being a Witch and thus the coolest Spellcasting class in the game. (I've been debating between Hagbound (for Str scaling, Leyline (useful conduit Surge ability for the Witch single target spells), or Stigmatized Witch (Start with Wolf-Scarred to stack with Razortusk and later get the burned limbs for free?). Deception Witch seems like the most powerful if I go with Leyline, that one I can pop a Conduit to overcome one's resistance to Phantasm Killer, but . . . Witch Patrons make them super versatile and I can't remember if there's a Mythic ability to give you a second or not like there is for Bloodlines as a BR or Sorc or Oracle.

The Hex-Magus sounds like it would be a great fit but I've been told that the actual Touch Hexes do not actually synergize with the Magus's premiere ability of conducting spells into touch magic via their weapons, meaning that as a class it's mostly a waste.

The Shamans are. . . .weird. I still don't know how to use the Shaman and they feel like a odd mix between a Witch/Magus/Warpriest. But from what little I've touched I think it has potential? Every time I look at this class I feel like I'm poking at it with a stick to see if it might bite me.

Cruomancer Wizard might be fun, or perhaps a Kinetic Knight if they ever added in the Kinetic Whip ability for some range.

So as you can see I am stuck in a "But what about, maybe this, ooh or how about" dilemma here, and have come to the rest of y'all for some advice. What are the rest of y'all's thoughts and or recommendations? Is your rec or advice based off of Power-Leveling or personal fun that you've had?

[Schlumpsha]

One of my personal favourites for Demon path is the Demon Dancer Skald archetype. It got spells, songs, access to fiend totem, adds bite attacks to allies and fits thematically as well.

Hagbound is worth checking out for a fullcaster Demon. Permanent Str boost, natural attacks, had transformation with spell resistance and unlimited access to Bestow Curse make it an attractive archetype for the path.

[Selvokaz]

Are you using any mods?

[New Willinium]

Originally posted by Selvokaz:

Are you using any mods?

Nothing more then Toybox atm. Mostly to just have a in-game visual so I can see what choices effect what and what not. Or to add items or start off with certain feats for RP purposes.

[Gigabyte]

I find demon increbily powerful with spell casting classes. Maybe try arcanist or wizard.

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

I find demon increbily powerful with spell casting classes. Maybe try arcanist or wizard.

How so?

[Gigabyte]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

I find demon increbily powerful with spell casting classes. Maybe try arcanist or wizard.

How so?

Several of the demon aspects that you get are increbily strong for spell caster and imo more than anything it does for melee. Aspect of coloxus allows you to cast 2 spells in one turn not including quicken meta magic so you can get up to 3 spells in one turn. Aspect of incubus and succubus allow weird builds to be absolutely insane.

[New Willinium]

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

Originally posted by Averagedog:

How so?

Several of the demon aspects that you get are increbily strong for spell caster and imo more than anything it does for melee. Aspect of coloxus allows you to cast 2 spells in one turn not including quicken meta magic so you can get up to 3 spells in one turn. Aspect of incubus and succubus allow weird builds to be absolutely insane.

There's also a Demon Aspect that adds additional Die of Damage to your spells isn't there? Making for Ray builds to be absolutely stupid in terms of damage output? Which possibly stack with Ranged Stealth attacks?

[Gigabyte]

Originally posted by New Willinium:

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

Several of the demon aspects that you get are increbily strong for spell caster and imo more than anything it does for melee. Aspect of coloxus allows you to cast 2 spells in one turn not including quicken meta magic so you can get up to 3 spells in one turn. Aspect of incubus and succubus allow weird builds to be absolutely insane.

There's also a Demon Aspect that adds additional Die of Damage to your spells isn't there? Making for Ray builds to be absolutely stupid in terms of damage output? Which possibly stack with Ranged Stealth attacks?

Im pretty sure, my demons hellfire rays are absolutely insane and amusing to think about a demon sending souls to hell.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by New Willinium:

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

Several of the demon aspects that you get are increbily strong for spell caster and imo more than anything it does for melee. Aspect of coloxus allows you to cast 2 spells in one turn not including quicken meta magic so you can get up to 3 spells in one turn. Aspect of incubus and succubus allow weird builds to be absolutely insane.

There's also a Demon Aspect that adds additional Die of Damage to your spells isn't there? Making for Ray builds to be absolutely stupid in terms of damage output? Which possibly stack with Ranged Stealth attacks?

Demon can serve as a half-decent Hellfire Ray spammer, but the really insane Hellfire Ray spammer is Trickster. Demon cannot match Trickster in this regard and in general Demon is wasted as a direct damage spell caster.

You want your demon to be a DC caster, because Demon is a uniquely powerful mythic that gets a massive +20 effective spell DC bonus from its mythic path alone. This massive spell DC bonus as well as the ability to make all spells persistent (enemy rolls save twice and takes the worse result) via Aspect of Socothbenoth and the ability to cast spells as move action via Aspect of Coloxus makes Demon the absolute strongest caster in the game.

It doesn't even matter what kind of caster you play: arcane or divine. Doesn't matter which class even. Doesn't matter which school you're specializing in, if any. As long you're focusing on using save-or-else spells instead of direct damage spells, Demon is unmatched.

[Gigabyte]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by New Willinium:

There's also a Demon Aspect that adds additional Die of Damage to your spells isn't there? Making for Ray builds to be absolutely stupid in terms of damage output? Which possibly stack with Ranged Stealth attacks?

Demon can serve as a half-decent Hellfire Ray spammer, but the really insane Hellfire Ray spammer is Trickster. Demon cannot match Trickster in this regard and in general Demon is wasted as a direct damage spell caster.

You want your demon to be a DC caster, because Demon is a uniquely powerful mythic that gets a massive +20 effective spell DC bonus from its mythic path alone. This massive spell DC bonus as well as the ability to make all spells persistent (enemy rolls save twice and takes the worse result) via Aspect of Socothbenoth and the ability to cast spells as move action via Aspect of Coloxus makes Demon the absolute strongest caster in the game.

It doesn't even matter what kind of caster you play: arcane or divine. Doesn't matter which class even. Doesn't matter which school you're specializing in, if any. As long you're focusing on using save-or-else spells instead of direct damage spells, Demon is unmatched.

This was my recommendation im doing my demon is a cruormancer that obviously does alot of finger of death and wail of the banshee spam and its easily one of the stronger builds iv used in the game

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by New Willinium:

Originally posted by Selvokaz:

Are you using any mods?

Nothing more then Toybox atm. Mostly to just have a in-game visual so I can see what choices effect what and what not. Or to add items or start off with certain feats for RP purposes.

If you're using Toyxbox then Arcanist Brown Fur archetype is one option i tried since i knew the demon path got a lot of polymorph spell options. it worked pretty well, but it was a straight 1 to 20 build, i mixed in 4 levels of dragon disciple 10 levels of eldritch knight as well, and use the toybox merge spell book option to add the spells from demon path directly to my arcanist spell book.

[New Willinium]

I've been going back and forth and back and forth and I think I've settled it on the 4 most likely options.

Magus of some kind(I'm leaning towards Hexcrafter and Eldritch Scion), Shadow Shaman (Because Sneak Attack and Hexes), Cult Leader (Fervor Swift Casting and Sneak Attacks), and Leyline Witch (Deception Patron most like).

I know that one of the Demon Aspects gives you Sneak Attack Die and gets better as you level your Mythic Path, I think it was Babau or Succubus, and I *think* it works even if your base class does not have any Sneak Attack feats, so no matter what I'd be able to work it in there.

Now it's just a struggle to decide on which of the four I should do.

I'm leaning towards one of the Arcane choices but I worry that that would cause an issue with the Demon Spellbook not adding much of anything of worth that isn't already within the Witch or Magus spellbook.

Which wouldn't be a problem if I go Cult Leader which has Divine Spells, plus the Sacred Weapon ability that makes ANY weapon viable and has the Magus Weapon enchantments but has the major downside of not having access to Hexes like Evil Eye or Iceplant.

And around and around and around in a circle I go, where does this end no body knows.

[Gigabyte]

Originally posted by New Willinium:

I've been going back and forth and back and forth and I think I've settled it on the 4 most likely options.

Magus of some kind(I'm leaning towards Hexcrafter and Eldritch Scion), Shadow Shaman (Because Sneak Attack and Hexes), Cult Leader (Fervor Swift Casting and Sneak Attacks), and Leyline Witch (Deception Patron most like).

I know that one of the Demon Aspects gives you Sneak Attack Die and gets better as you level your Mythic Path, I think it was Babau or Succubus, and I *think* it works even if your base class does not have any Sneak Attack feats, so no matter what I'd be able to work it in there.

Now it's just a struggle to decide on which of the four I should do.

I'm leaning towards one of the Arcane choices but I worry that that would cause an issue with the Demon Spellbook not adding much of anything of worth that isn't already within the Witch or Magus spellbook.

Which wouldn't be a problem if I go Cult Leader which has Divine Spells, plus the Sacred Weapon ability that makes ANY weapon viable and has the Magus Weapon enchantments but has the major downside of not having access to Hexes like Evil Eye or Iceplant.

And around and around and around in a circle I go, where does this end no body knows.

Leyline witch would be a really strong choice. The weird spam youd be casting by end game would far out do anything your other party members could ever hope to achieve.

[New Willinium]

Originally posted by Gigabyte:

Originally posted by New Willinium:

I've been going back and forth and back and forth and I think I've settled it on the 4 most likely options.

Magus of some kind(I'm leaning towards Hexcrafter and Eldritch Scion), Shadow Shaman (Because Sneak Attack and Hexes), Cult Leader (Fervor Swift Casting and Sneak Attacks), and Leyline Witch (Deception Patron most like).

I know that one of the Demon Aspects gives you Sneak Attack Die and gets better as you level your Mythic Path, I think it was Babau or Succubus, and I *think* it works even if your base class does not have any Sneak Attack feats, so no matter what I'd be able to work it in there.

Now it's just a struggle to decide on which of the four I should do.

I'm leaning towards one of the Arcane choices but I worry that that would cause an issue with the Demon Spellbook not adding much of anything of worth that isn't already within the Witch or Magus spellbook.

Which wouldn't be a problem if I go Cult Leader which has Divine Spells, plus the Sacred Weapon ability that makes ANY weapon viable and has the Magus Weapon enchantments but has the major downside of not having access to Hexes like Evil Eye or Iceplant.

And around and around and around in a circle I go, where does this end no body knows.

Leyline witch would be a really strong choice. The weird spam youd be casting by end game would far out do anything your other party members could ever hope to achieve.

I think Leyline Deception Witch is what I'm going to land on. It's going to be hard to stick with it with my constantly questioning my choices but it feels like the right pick.

[Gorwe]

Demon? Elemental Rampager Natural Attack spam. Remember to get a Demon Dancer Skald. Possibly trade in Greater Demon Totem for Lesser Demon Totem via Toybox, if possible. This is really a wild playstyle!

Otherwise, any caster will do, DC casters like Enchantment or Illusion being at the forefront.