Stonelord and CHA?

[Moobert]

I'm re-visiting my stone lord dwarf paladin and I'm worried about dumping CHA. Now I can't cast any spells as my CHA is too low. Is this class supposed to rely on marital skills alone?

[jsaving]

You generally want a paladin in your party for mark of justice, which provides a massive to-hit boost for the entire party. Because the size of the boost depends on charisma, paladins typically want it to be high.

The second most important reason for a high charisma would be divine grace, which gives you a charisma bonus to saves. Not as important as mark of justice because of the many ways you can counter enemy spells/abilities, but still nice to have.

Choosing to go stonelord eliminates those class features in exchange for ones that aren't powered by charisma. I'm not at all sure that's a good trade, but it does mean charisma isn't nearly as important for you. Just make sure you can reach 14 with the aid of items and you should be fine.

[Conquista]

you still want to have enough cha to cast stuff like eagle soul

[seeker1]

I think the only paladin archetypes that lose spellcasting are divine guardian and warrior of the holy light.

[Stink Bug]

Stonelord isn't supposed to have spellcasting, but in this game Owlcat gave it anyway, maybe as a consolation for the Earth Elemental companion they didn't implement.

But even if it was PnP accurate, you'd still want at least a little CHA for Lay on Hands uses. Earth Channel could have been useful against certain enemies in Chapter 2 as well, now that I think of it.

[mbradtke]

did anyone test how the dmg reduction stone lord gets via stalward defender traits works?
stone lord doesnt get dmg reduction/- but dmg reduction/adamantite... however the stalward defender trait he can get still says dmg reduction/- but stone lord doesnt get this native... so what's the deal?