which unharmed combat bonuses get added to lann

[thkiwow]

some of the bonuses to unharmed strike, I.e. special feats, get added to our boi once he recieves his 5th level feat. sadly, not all of them do. dragon style for example doesn't add or do extra damage based on the unharmed strike of our dear protagonist lann. even some items don't do with the bonus or extra. which means that, sadly, nearly every other feat is not as damn useful. and items for unharmed combat need to be tested beforehand.

so, which ones do you take? I mean, there are plenty of bow feats to choose from, but it feels like a pity when there's so much wasted potential.

[seeker1]

Well, I respec'd him (with the mod) to be a "standard" monk and picked quite a few things, some of which he can't normally get as Zen Archer, then sent him into battle kung fu fighting.

BTW, all those feats are SUPPOSED to apply to his unarmed combat, incl. Dragon Style, so if they aren't, yeh more class bugs. (I'm not one of those types who stares obsessively at the log, I guess I should get into the habit, mostly for bugfinding.)

My obvious favorite is Quivering Palm, of course, although probably as expected, most of the things I wanted to insta-kill, it rarely works on. I like insta kill abilities, when they work. Seems like Uncle Owl likes to nerf them, though. Party poopers.

On the unarmed combat issue - I do agree, the one disappointment is Wrath seems to contain a lot of weapons with very interesting "on hit" properties, so sometimes it does seem like a loss for fighting unarmed.

[corisai]

Originally posted by seeker1:

BTW, all those feats are SUPPOSED to apply to his unarmed combat, incl. Dragon Style, so if they aren't, yeh more class bugs.

Absolutely NOT supposed. Ki arrows do NOT convert ranged attacks into unarmed one, or do NOT allow us to add unarmed damage to ranged attack damage.

All you get is usage of unarmed attack BASIC damage instead of weapon basic damage.

To OP - no feats affect basic damage. So you shouldn't get anything special from unarmed feats to Lann ranged attacks.

[seeker1]

He was asking about unarmed strike, not ranged attacks. And I SAID unarmed combat. Shooting with a bow is not unarmed. :->

Even if you don't respec him out of Zen Archer, he still has unarmed attacks.

Mebbe I misunderstood the question. If he WAS asking does Dragon Style add to his bow attack, the answer is no.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by talemore:

Lann doesn't have any unarmed attacks unless you remove the bow.

Or click another weapon slot. Which might be with nothing in his hands.

But OK.

[Bishop]

Bow doesn't use anything related to unarmed other than basic fist damage from monk progression. But it still doesn't count like he shooting fists from his bow, its just replaces damage dealt per arrow.

He can use all his unarmed feats with his unarmed combat just fine. Nothing is applied to bow as it should be.

[seeker1]

I love Pathfinder. Pathfinder is the best system evah.

It is awesome to know the difference between standard actions, swift actions, free actions, move actions, quick actions, full round actions, and taking a dump actions.

Forgive me for my sins. Have a nice day.

P.S. Lann can still get unarmed attacks even if he's holding a bow. :=>

He could also attack with a cheese grater, a taco, or a fishing pole, if he was holding one in another weapon slot. Not that I'm recommending that.

I may not be a Pathfinder guru, but common sense tells me switching weapons is a kind of action. :=>

Also that something called a "Zen Archer" is best optimized around ... drumroll ... firing a bow.

[Foolswalkin]

I kinda like him as Zen Archer 2/Cult Leader Warpriest X.

[corisai]

Originally posted by seeker1:

P.S. Lann can still get unarmed attacks even if he's holding a bow. :=>

In table-top he can't without eating -10/-6 penalties for two-weapon fight without proper feats&weapon. System don't allow to abuse unarmed combat here.

You can hold one weapon in one hand - if you don't want to use a bow then you need to drop it (or use it as improvised weapon with huge penalties too).

[Conquista]

in lore zen archer don't shoot their fists with their bow, they use arrows with an boxing glove attached to the arrow head, so no range kungfu for you

[seeker1]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by seeker1:

P.S. Lann can still get unarmed attacks even if he's holding a bow. :=>

In table-top he can't without eating -10/-6 penalties for two-weapon fight without proper feats&weapon. System don't allow to abuse unarmed combat here.

Cool. I will remember that the next time I play tabletop. In 2538.

A bow is a two handed weapon. Properly, the game does not allow you to hold a bow in one hand and a cheese grater in the other. Of course it shouldn't.

In this game, there are four weapon slots for characters. In one slot, they can have a bow. In another slot, a quarterstaff. In a third slot, a taco (I kid). In the fourth slot, nothing but their fists (i.e. unarmed).

(We are all playing the same game - right?)

You can click on that fourth slot, and now the character is now fighting unarmed.

I definitely never said it doesn't take an action to switch weapons, or to switch from a weapon to an unarmed attack.

I would agree keeping Lann as a Zen Archer doesn't let him do his best unarmed fighting. That is why I got the respec mod. But he can. And he can switch to doing it, even if he's holding a bow. Note I did not recommend it.

Finally, even if he stays Zen Archer, his feats like Dragon Style benefit his unarmed attacks, but not his bow shots. I think that's what the OP was asking. Maybe due to language and other issues I didn't fully understand. (I actually thought he was reporting YANO combat bug.)

I never played Pathfinder TT. Have always said so. I did play 3.5 rules in NWN1 & 2. So it's not like it's all new to me. Everything I just said is true. Whether or not it is optimal is not what I was discussing.

[corisai]

Originally posted by seeker1:

In this game, there are four weapon slots for characters. In one slot, they can have a bow. In another slot, a quarterstaff. In a third slot, a taco (I kid). In the fourth slot, nothing but their fists (i.e. unarmed).

Slots == switch weapon. Exist in table-top, in CRPG take less time (if any I don't remember clearly) like we would simply drop weapon. In table-top DM sooner or later would punish players for relying on it but it's a CRPG :)

Originally posted by seeker1:

Finally, even if he stays Zen Archer, his feats like Dragon Style benefit his unarmed attacks, but not his bow shots. I think that's what the OP was asking.

Yes.