Omox surprise round

[Bluegrass Soviet]

The Omox in the Drezen Citadel always get a surprise round for seemingly no reason. I can't see any buff or ability that would cause this. But whenever I enter combat they get a surprise round no matter what. God I wish they hadn't decide to have 5 billion ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ abilities and status' on every damn creature.

[Insanity_184]

Ya I agree I hate that. I guess it meant to be an ambush and unless you have metagame knowledge you’d get caught.

Best you could do is throw a summon in the room while everyone’s out of it. They will get the surprise round but waste it on the dogs or what ever trash you summoned.

Also if you don’t like suprised don’t go on the roof of the tower….just don’t

[Applied Mediocrity]

Originally posted by Insanity_184:

it meant to be an ambush and unless you have metagame knowledge you’d get caught.

It's an Omox, though. A literal ♥♥♥♥ demon. Excremental. Not born, ♥♥♥♥ into existance. You could miss one only by standing upwind from it. Unfortunately in this game you don't have a spray that "knocks strong odors out".

[Bluegrass Soviet]

Originally posted by Applied Mediocrity:

Originally posted by Insanity_184:

it meant to be an ambush and unless you have metagame knowledge you’d get caught.

It's an Omox, though. A literal ♥♥♥♥ demon. Excremental. Not born, ♥♥♥♥ into existance. You could miss one only by standing upwind from it. Unfortunately in this game you don't have a spray that "knocks strong odors out".

Okay but I mean mechanically why, I walk into the room and can see them but they get a surprise round for some reason? Like they don't pop up and surprise you, their just standing there. And as far as I can tell there isn't any ability they have that would do it, but this game doesn't exactly make it easy parse the wall of noise the devs call a character screen.

[seeker1]

If it's a ♥♥♥♥ demon, maybe you need to hit it with a holy blessed golf club?

It worked in Dogma.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Sp0ckz0mbi3:

Okay but I mean mechanically why, I walk into the room and can see them but they get a surprise round for some reason? Like they don't pop up and surprise you, their just standing there. And as far as I can tell there isn't any ability they have that would do it, but this game doesn't exactly make it easy parse the wall of noise the devs call a character screen.

AFAIK it's a first time when you're encountering Omox.
So party isn't suspect it = no Perception checks allowed.
It's actually a rule - you should suspect lie / threat to actually roll against Perception. If you meet an unknown girl who using illusion spell to colour her hairs into blonde - you are NOT allowed to roll a disbelieve Will check.

[Invisible]

You can shoot a fireball in the room, so they are surprised.

[Bluegrass Soviet]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Sp0ckz0mbi3:

Okay but I mean mechanically why, I walk into the room and can see them but they get a surprise round for some reason? Like they don't pop up and surprise you, their just standing there. And as far as I can tell there isn't any ability they have that would do it, but this game doesn't exactly make it easy parse the wall of noise the devs call a character screen.

AFAIK it's a first time when you're encountering Omox.
So party isn't suspect it = no Perception checks allowed.
It's actually a rule - you should suspect lie / threat to actually roll against Perception. If you meet an unknown girl who using illusion spell to colour her hairs into blonde - you are NOT allowed to roll a disbelieve Will check.

That doesn't make any sense they are obviously demons and just standing in the middle of the room. What exactly is surprising about that? I just ended up insta gibbing them with the toybox mod. If the devs are gonna be so inconstant and obtuse I might as well just zap the encounter. This dev team is the worst GM i've ever seen lol.