Dont Underestimate the power of "Best jokes" mythic Ability.

[Hideka Valheim]

Seriously, its incredibly strong. you can pump this things DC into the mid to upper forties with the correct gear, and you can completely trivialize certian fights like this. E.G. you can disable the ENTIRE room of mongrels in the Ch4 Companion quest for lann. Most of these only have a save of 11-15, and at a 40 save, its a permanent CC.

[MjKorz]

Best jokes is very good, WHEN IT WORKS, but it's only one tool in an Enchanter's arsenal and far from the most important one. Problem with Hideous Laughter is that it produces a Prone effect. Anything immune to Prone (like most flying demons) will just not get proned by Hideous Laughter and will continue to act normally even if the spell technically does affect them. In the mid-end game most enemies that matter are immune to prone effects.

Honestly, you can make a devastating enchanter without the use of Best Jokes and you will barely notice any loss of function. It's a funny meme ability, but it's not really important and you can 100% skip it. It's funny when it works, though:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2812293307

And if you get creative, you can use it to proc other spells as well:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2779696280

[CoachMac]

Yes but what would be the solution to my problem ? Is there any or did i just waste a mythic ability/feat ?

[Dryad]

Publicado originalmente por CoachMac:

Yes but what would be the solution to my problem ? Is there any or did i just waste a mythic ability/feat ?

Hideous Laughter is a bard, wizard, and sorcerer spell. Easiest fix is to take one of those classes or Loremaster which can also grant a character the spell. Otherwise, it's pretty much wasted

[Cutlass Jack]

Publicado originalmente por CoachMac:

I use Ember.
She is Witch now getting to lvl10.
She has cackle which is the most useless spell ever (has never ever ever done anything so far and I am at beginning of Act III).

Cackle isn't a spell. Cackle is an ability that extends the duration of certain hexes (agony, charm, evil eye, fortune, or misfortune) by one round on everyone in range.

Basically first she needs to hex someone. Then she needs to use cackle to extend its duration. Its a move action so she can do both. Cackle does nothing if Ember hasn't hexed anyone.

[Raikon]

I dont normally critize poeples thoughts or actions, but it seems odd to me that you are so focused on Ember. Why not get best jokes for Nenio? You seem distraught that cackle, and best jokes are not working for Ember. If you don't use her, you may not be distraut.

Ignore that she exists and dump her back into the streets where you found her.

[Migromul]

Publicado originalmente por CoachMac:

I think i did something wrong and it highly frustrate me.

I wanted to use best jokes as a mass control.

I use Ember.
She is Witch now getting to lvl10.
She has cackle which is the most useless spell ever (has never ever ever done anything so far and I am at beginning of Act III).

I took best Joke as mythic path skill for her.
And I still cannot do anything.
I dream to make jokes to these demons but i cannot and i really dont understand why.
On another post someone suggested that best jokes was an improvement from hideous laughter.
But that (lvl 2) spell is not available for witches. It is only for wizards, sorcelers... and I would need 4 or 5 levels in those just to make a joke to demons.

It is so frustrating to not understand what am i missing.
I am close to spend 40k and get a merch that is a good joker.
So if you understand what i am talking about please help it would save like 80h of game ona character i like.

Did you actually read, what cackle does? It's not a CC. And you can use it at least as a fast action (and that's pretty important imho.). Cackle does enhance the duration of all other hexes in an area of 30 feet. (or meters or yards, whatever the english range is...) I use it as a temporary hex usually. (so I can change, if needed.) It's worth it to lengthen the effect of hexes, the enemy withstands. (Since they work one round then, but can't be cast against them again. So with cackle they work 2 rounds. and you can use it in the same round, you've casted your hex.)

So it's pretty obvous, that best jokes doesn't work with cackle, because cackle does something completely different. But the hex iteself is pretty good imho, And I would keep it, if you reskill. (or just take the temprary hex, and select it for this. You can change then, if needed, once per day.)

BTW: cackle isn't a spell, but a hex. You shouldn't confound those two: The main difference is, that you can use a hex as often as you want per day, but only once per enemy. And, they're pretty powerful, if a comparable spel even exists (like slumber) But for most hexes, there even doesn't exist a comparable spell. (evil-eye? or the hex, that lowers element-resistances for example.)

So, yes, you somewhat wasted that mystic talent. However, there are ways to get the spell, as mentioned above. (or you just reskill. This will also give you your mystic feats again.)

[Gregorovitch]

Love the reference in @OP's title for this thread

It comes from a loading screen tip seen in the original Baldurs Gate game:

"Never underestimate the power of a well placed level 1 spell"

[CoachMac]

ok first of all thank you for taking tne time to clarify.

It is obvious that despite playing 128 hours to reach beginning of Act III I have a lot to learn because i did not play much on Kingmaker and Pathfinder rules are new to me.

What you say is right i did not make a disctinction between hexes and spells.
Now i actually do.
I was higly frustrated because i felt like i messed Ember up. I indeed took a wrong mythic path but i think i can overcome it even if i play in principal mode to keep it as close to real game rules as possible so it is sometimes tricky.

Thank you for the explanation

Note: i dismissed Nemo because i really did not like her look and attitude.

[Migromul]

Publicado originalmente por CoachMac:

ok first of all thank you for taking tne time to clarify.

It is obvious that despite playing 128 hours to reach beginning of Act III I have a lot to learn because i did not play much on Kingmaker and Pathfinder rules are new to me.

What you say is right i did not make a disctinction between hexes and spells.
Now i actually do.
I was higly frustrated because i felt like i messed Ember up. I indeed took a wrong mythic path but i think i can overcome it even if i play in principal mode to keep it as close to real game rules as possible so it is sometimes tricky.

Thank you for the explanation

Note: i dismissed Nemo because i really did not like her look and attitude.

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I LOVE Nenio. Just because, shie's so annoying... ;)

[MjKorz]

If you don't like Nenio, you have no soul.

[Gregorovitch]

C'mon, Nenio's got some of the best lines in the game. Some of the stuff she says to demon lords etc is priceless.