Act 4 Trevor

[Fistimus Maximus]

Damn that end part is badly written, because I implied his brother is a hero(trying to be positive for sosiel) I cant save trevor? did the Perception in the cell got his shield and only options is heroic death or murder? Even if he viewed his brother as a hero you wouldnt just run and leave him, his brother clearly showed repentance as he gets the buff from his godess.....I know this wont be changed but to me seems pretty weak, no other way of rescue? slaughtering demons or sneaking in, hell could proberly 1 shot most of them with a spell.

[=DeadShot=]

Try for a few turns to take the punishment Trevor dishes to you and then you and Trevor will have to fight lots of gladiators. Otherwise reload and do again. If it is only implying that Trevor is a hero. You need to neither imply Trevor is a hero , a traitor and I think a victim. And in act 3 when you get the chance to meet some of his companion to convince Sosiel to talk to all his companions and not make his mind on the spot. Recruiting Trevor flags start from act 2 at the earliest.
Or try to figure out the flags you need to have active so you can use ToyBox.

[Fistimus Maximus]

yeah I believe it stems from act 3 where I implied he was a hero, just seems really badly written and handled though. Just because I think(sosiel) he is a hero doesnt mean he would turn and run instead of standing with him. I know they say use toybox for the result you want but to me seems poor.

[=DeadShot=]

Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:

yeah I believe it stems from act 3 where I implied he was a hero, just seems really badly written and handled though. Just because I think(sosiel) he is a hero doesnt mean he would turn and run instead of standing with him. I know they say use toybox for the result you want but to me seems poor.

The point Trevor was a paladin, then he became a fallen one. And then a mercenary hellknight. And then he was captured by demons and forced to be a gladiator and when we meet him Trevor is a broken man.
His life choices can be interpreted in many ways, by Sosiel and through Sosiel interaction with Trevor, Trevor can have different reactions in the last part of the Act 4 Arena. He could be a hero making hard choices and when he meets you and Sosiel Trevor decides(because of shame) to become one for the first and last time in his life by sacrificing his life to buy time for his brother and brother friends.
Sosiel can be made to believe that Trevor is a monster (as he thinks Trevor is after he learns about Trevor life choices during the crusades). And in that case Trevor falls to despair and must be put down in the arena(because Sosiel accusations will finaly end Trevor hopes for good).
Or Sosiel can be made to be think Trevor is neither a hero or a monster but a victim. And when you meet Trevor in act 4 you get the chance to help him and rescue Trevor from the Arena in act 4. This is hard thing to do because:
1. Trevor actions do not predispose Sosiel to believe him as a victim , but either a hero or a monster.
2. You need to hear all of Trevor close companions stories to manage to convince Sosiel that no matter what happened Trevor is a victim of circumstances, war and demons.
That is all those checks and all the moves the guide tells you about recruiting Trevor. And you find about Trevor history during act 3 or act 2 , in act 4 Sosiel opinion about Trevor is made up (Trevor will die either in self sacrifice or fighting Sosiel or you in the Arena ) if you didn't convince that Trevor is a victim.
People should think about why those checks are. There not there for nothing. They are there to simulate this choices.
And I agree it is easy to miss companion, but not everything can be solved using just a speech in the 12 hour. In many instances you need to plan ahead and think about.

[=DeadShot=]

Also Trevor is suicidal and almost lost hope when you meet him in Act 4 Arena. That is quite clear.

[Fistimus Maximus]

No ive no problem with the conclusion sosiel got of how he views his brother the 3 choices is fine, Im mostly talking about his reaction when confronting him then and their? if he was a victim or a hero you wouldnt let your brother face his fate alone. The amount of enemies doesnt change for either outcome so with the possibility of winning would be the same. I and guess from other posts feel it is concluded poorly perhaps they should have had the raging crowd itself flood into the arena and trevor tries to hold them back so sosiel could flee. All im asking is for alittle better thought out script.

[seeker1]

I have only one question for this thread -- I only tried once to recruit Trever, and I failed, seems also an issue for me with clarity of steps.

That aside here comes my question: as a companion, is he as fully "interactive" as all the others, banters, etc.? Obviously his interactions with his brother might be really interesting.... does he get an "ending" along with the others? (You can put that in spoiler tags.)

[Raggle Fraggles]

Don't feel bad, I completely missed this quest because APPARENTLY doing the battleblissd arena quest chain before going to the fleshmarket just doesn't start the Act 4 Sosei quest?

But the Battlebliss is the first thing you run into, but whatever, what do I know? lmao.

Anyway, for anyone goolging this in the future, read this before starting your playthrough https://www.altchar.com/guides/how-to-save-trever-in-pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous-a7y8b7W82tHV

[Selvokaz]

why is everyone having a hard time getting this guy? Sosiel and him just need to fight together inside the arena and you need to make sosiel block his attack with the shield, he doesnt even need to have it equipped, just keep it in your inventory and it should trigger Trevors memories and then they both tag team the demons? I've even seen this guy have to be killed.

[seeker1]

I tried exactly what you said, and it didn't work, since you're asking.

Fextralife also says it's so simple. Just have Sosiel show him the shield. *I did.*

As noted earlier in the thread, it appears to rely on "correct" dialogue choices earlier in the game between you and Sosiel.

I have never managed to get Trever to do anything but die fighting the demons. Granted, only once was I really (I thought) trying to get a different outcome. Just to see how it would play out.

[=DeadShot=]

Trevor is fully developed party character. But you get in late game and his build is crap but thematically appropriate.

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by seeker1:

I tried exactly what you said, and it didn't work, since you're asking.

Fextralife also says it's so simple. Just have Sosiel show him the shield. *I did.*

As noted earlier in the thread, it appears to rely on "correct" dialogue choices earlier in the game between you and Sosiel.

I have never managed to get Trever to do anything but die fighting the demons. Granted, only once was I really (I thought) trying to get a different outcome. Just to see how it would play out.

Were you supportive and honest? I think one of my key things I told him was that He found something he was good at, which was to him being a hellknight, yeah but i recruited this guy twice so i never even knew there could be a failure to get him.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by Selvokaz:

why is everyone having a hard time getting this guy? Sosiel and him just need to fight together inside the arena and you need to make sosiel block his attack with the shield, he doesnt even need to have it equipped, just keep it in your inventory and it should trigger Trevors memories and then they both tag team the demons? I've even seen this guy have to be killed.

no it is all down to how you describe trevor, you have to makie him out as a victim, guess fits with current modern thinking as everyone is a victim. if you make him out as a hero he dies or if you paint him as a bad guy sosiel kills him. Why cant someone be a hero and a victim, who knows but...

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by seeker1:

I tried exactly what you said, and it didn't work, since you're asking.

Fextralife also says it's so simple. Just have Sosiel show him the shield. *I did.*

As noted earlier in the thread, it appears to rely on "correct" dialogue choices earlier in the game between you and Sosiel.

I have never managed to get Trever to do anything but die fighting the demons. Granted, only once was I really (I thought) trying to get a different outcome. Just to see how it would play out.

I posted below how to get him I just think how silly the heroic death choice is implemented. as the number of enemies doesnt change or the set up for the fight so seems he dies stupidly. I personally dont mind that you can miss him just the writing I dislike.