Build Advice(Devil)

[Gorwe]

Ok, I'm gonna do this a bit different. I'm gonna post a step by step outline of what I generally want and you feel free to advise me further. I don't want extreme max-max, I just want something functional. Let's get onto it!

RACE: Either Tiefling or Human ; don't think anything else would fit.

CLASS: Something that can do Abjuration, Conjuration and Enchantment good. I'm looking for an extreme in "Crowd Control + Dispel" specialization. Preferably Arcane, though Divine caster could work too. Not really Druid, no, that ♥♥♥♥ don't really fit with devilry imo. It'd be like if you tried to play a hard core industrialitst Azata... no. Was thinking of either "Arcanist White Mage" or "Exploiter Wizard", but I could also go for "Unknown Channeler - Madness dom"(Tweaks allows it). Note: Chance for 10 / 10 with Signifier are quite high, keep that in mind.

DEITY: Asmodeus, ofc. Like I'd consider anything else here. It'd be like ignoring Desna for Azata or Iomedae / Sarenrae for Angel.

ALIGNMENT: Lawful Neutral - don't think I'm quite ready for LE. Besides, most HKs are LN, with possible exception of upper ranks.

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Thank you for your advice.

[uwfsam2000]

In response to the alignment. In chapter 5 when you finally complete the transformation the game forces you to be lawful evil. You will have no choice.

It will either happen at Mythic rank 8 or 9, I forget. I was True Neutral and it changed my alignment.

[Big Biscuits]

Signifier levels are going to be mostly wasted unless you're stomping around in heavy armor. So you could try a caster/melee hybrid. It would be a bit unconventional, but you could do Magus-hexcrafter 10/Signifier 10. No crowd control, but lots of debuff + dispel potential.

For a pure spellcaster, I'd go sorcerer all the way. Personally I like the idea of a Devil with high charisma, and sorcerers are well suited for extremely specialized casters.

Wizard or Arcanist would work fine, but I'm not sure I agree with the archetypes you mentioned.

[Gorwe]

Publicado originalmente por uwfsam2000:

In response to the alignment. In chapter 5 when you finally complete the transformation the game forces you to be lawful evil. You will have no choice.

It will either happen at Mythic rank 8 or 9, I forget. I was True Neutral and it changed my alignment.

Well, this is stupid, but ok. Do you actually become a devil? Imo, these transformations should be able to be turned off. Some just want ephemereal power or blessings, not "lol I'm Angel / Devil / ... now". Guess I'm going with LE then, who says I need to act like it? LAWFUL options are severe enough as is.

Publicado originalmente por Big Biscuits:

Signifier levels are going to be mostly wasted unless you're stomping around in heavy armor. So you could try a caster/melee hybrid. It would be a bit unconventional, but you could do Magus-hexcrafter 10/Signifier 10. No crowd control, but lots of debuff + dispel potential.

For a pure spellcaster, I'd go sorcerer all the way. Personally I like the idea of a Devil with high charisma, and sorcerers are well suited for extremely specialized casters.

Wizard or Arcanist would work fine, but I'm not sure I agree with the archetypes you mentioned.

It's mostly for the fluff purposes. I know that I won't get a lot of mileage from it, especially since if I choose Divine, they're missing Catechesis. Why don't you agree with Archetypes? White Mage is practically a freebie. You get a ton of heals(no actual HEAL though) for...one Exploit? Even with Signifier, that's like nothing. I'm not a big fan of Exploiter though. It is good, but...I don't know. I do have Quick Study and all, so, why?

[uwfsam2000]

Man, I think the Devil path could have so much potential. I would have loved to see it start in act 3. It would have been amazing with a full fledged story MP like the demon got.
Just me anyways. All 3 late game MP truly need a makeover.

[GunStarX]

Enchantment really needs crossblooded sorcerer imo so you can get fey and undead bloodline (your spells will work against undead) and then still take another mythic bloodline like arcane for bonus spells and bonus DC. Spite spawn tiefling gets +1 enchantment DC, and +2 cha/dex make a perfect fit. You can take expanded school mythic into other schools but there isn't a lot of gear that boosts DC for schools other than enchantment, illusion and evocation that I have come across.

Azata is a natural choice for the favorable and zippy magic before going devil. I'm not exactly sure how that transition works though.

When I ran I build like the above it was so effective at taking enemies out of the fight including basically every boss through act 3/4, I got bored of it in the middle of act 4 and started over.

[provokastoras]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2651484156
can't say for devil specifically but I know that my demon character grew horn wings and tail. also had the option of changing the picture of the character to that of a succubus or a balor.

[Drake]

If you're going for signifer, pick wizard, it's the one losing the least for not going single class. As sorcerer you're missing half of the bloodline and as arcanist and witch you're missing the exploits ad hexes.
DIvine spellcaster with no Catechesis is out of the question (you would actually be better off doing divine caster + hellknight to emulate a non LG paladin than going signifer). With is stupid by the way since in pnp signifer is way more focused on divine spellcasting.
Don't forget to go heavy armor, since there is no point to signifer without it (but keep in mind that signifer doesn't get order boons nor favored weapon).

Also if you want to go tiefling devil-spawn, you have to pick devil as bloodline, otherwise you get -2 CHA as penalty (and the devil bloodline passive is useless since there are no charm spells in the game, only compulsion).

[Gorwe]

Publicado originalmente por Drake:

If you're going for signifer, pick wizard, it's the one losing the least for not going single class. As sorcerer you're missing half of the bloodline and as arcanist and witch you're missing the exploits ad hexes.
DIvine spellcaster with no Catechesis is out of the question (you would actually be better off doing divine caster + hellknight to emulate a non LG paladin than going signifer). With is stupid by the way since in pnp signifer is way more focused on divine spellcasting.
Don't forget to go heavy armor, since there is no point to signifer without it (but keep in mind that signifer doesn't get order boons nor favored weapon).

Also if you want to go tiefling devil-spawn, you have to pick devil as bloodline, otherwise you get -2 CHA as penalty (and the devil bloodline passive is useless since there are no charm spells in the game, only compulsion).

But do you really lose anything of value as an Arcanist? Quick Study, +DC, Dimensional Slide are all there. AND you get spontaneous healing, should you need it. Don't get me wrong, Wizard is my favourite, it's just that...Exploiter feels kinda weird. I believe you even get fewer spell slots, but no spont.casting.

And after I saw a limited version of Greater Dispel in action on my Witch Doc(awesome class, fits right into Azata), I can't imagine what someone with more than 5 additional DC would do.

Publicado originalmente por uwfsam2000:

Man, I think the Devil path could have so much potential. I would have loved to see it start in act 3. It would have been amazing with a full fledged story MP like the demon got.
Just me anyways. All 3 late game MP truly need a makeover.

Eh, no ♥♥♥♥. But for Devil and somewhat Legend, it at least makes sense(Devil needs time to corrupt you and Legend's tied to you). Why do you have to wait until Act 5 for that Dovahkiin wannabe? For example. And why isn't Devil "corrupt Aeon / Angel" and not "Aeon / Azata"? Azata just feels random.

Publicado originalmente por GunStarX:

Enchantment really needs crossblooded sorcerer imo so you can get fey and undead bloodline (your spells will work against undead) and then still take another mythic bloodline like arcane for bonus spells and bonus DC. Spite spawn tiefling gets +1 enchantment DC, and +2 cha/dex make a perfect fit. You can take expanded school mythic into other schools but there isn't a lot of gear that boosts DC for schools other than enchantment, illusion and evocation that I have come across.

Azata is a natural choice for the favorable and zippy magic before going devil. I'm not exactly sure how that transition works though.

When I ran I build like the above it was so effective at taking enemies out of the fight including basically every boss through act 3/4, I got bored of it in the middle of act 4 and started over.

Yes, this'd be overpowered as ♥♥♥♥. Multi dispels, multi CC, rerolls to worse result...lol.

[Gorwe]

Huh? You actually KEEP Aeon / Azata progression(-Aivu) as a Devil? I mean, it is lawyerly enough for a Devil...if so, it'd be nice.

(I still fully believe that it should be Aeon / Angel and not Aeon / Azata, but meh)

[Gorwe]

Publicado originalmente por uwfsam2000:

In response to the alignment. In chapter 5 when you finally complete the transformation the game forces you to be lawful evil. You will have no choice.

It will either happen at Mythic rank 8 or 9, I forget. I was True Neutral and it changed my alignment.

What happens if you Transform then use the Scroll of Atonement(or however it's called ; the Alignment Reset scroll)?