Azata as Neutral Good instead of Chaotic?

[Noin Trongaz]

Will there be a problem? I want to play as Druid Azata.

[bitb0602]

No problem.
You can be Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaos Neutral Azata.

[Noin Trongaz]

Originally posted by bitb0602:

No problem.
You can be Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaos Neutral Azata.

thank you! This info is not on Wiki

[Kel'Ithra]

Basically you can be 1 step from it's core alignment. And normally the game warns you if your alignment requires adjustment to be able to gain Mythic 9 and 10 and a quest to re-align your alignment.

[Damaskus213]

I am sry to hijack this thread with my own question. but I somehow do not get this alignment for the mythic path thing.

My plan was to play a lawful evil hellknight with the Demon path. Unfortunately Hellknights have to be lawful and the demon path is chaotic evil. If I now adopt the Demon path at act 2, will I automatically get the chaotic evil alignment and no longer be possible to advance as hellknight?

[Conquista]

yes

[kodama]

Originally posted by Damaskus213:

I am sry to hijack this thread with my own question. but I somehow do not get this alignment for the mythic path thing.

My plan was to play a lawful evil hellknight with the Demon path. Unfortunately Hellknights have to be lawful and the demon path is chaotic evil. If I now adopt the Demon path at act 2, will I automatically get the chaotic evil alignment and no longer be possible to advance as hellknight?

Unfortunately Demon can't be Lawful, but it won't come to play before act 5 - as it was mentioned above, you will get a quest to shift your alignment to allowed value. If you fail to complete it, you will find yourself locked out from Mythic 9 & 10 (and therefore from full Transformation).

What you probably can do, however, is to go 7 mythic levels as Hellknight Demon and then turn into Legend at Mythic 8.

If that's not an option and Hellknight is a must, then Aeon (with Devil option later on), Angel or Lich are your real choices here.

[Damaskus213]

Originally posted by kodama:

Originally posted by Damaskus213:

I am sry to hijack this thread with my own question. but I somehow do not get this alignment for the mythic path thing.

My plan was to play a lawful evil hellknight with the Demon path. Unfortunately Hellknights have to be lawful and the demon path is chaotic evil. If I now adopt the Demon path at act 2, will I automatically get the chaotic evil alignment and no longer be possible to advance as hellknight?

Unfortunately Demon can't be Lawful, but it won't come to play before act 5 - as it was mentioned above, you will get a quest to shift your alignment to allowed value. If you fail to complete it, you will find yourself locked out from Mythic 9 & 10 (and therefore from full Transformation).

What you probably can do, however, is to go 7 mythic levels as Hellknight Demon and then turn into Legend at Mythic 8.

If that's not an option and Hellknight is a must, then Aeon (with Devil option later on), Angel or Lich are your real choices here.

Thanks for your reply! Ist it possible to reach level 15 before this quest? Because if I planned correctly I can go 5 level Fighter, than 10 level Hellknight. If I can manage this before I have to be chaotic to turn into the demon its fine right? Because contrary to the paladin I do not lose anything if my alignment shifts. It would only prevent futher levelin up as hellknigth, which I do not need if I already reached the 10 level of hellknight.

[provokastoras]

you can be level 20 before mythic rank 8 but that depends,
on the difficulty you are playing,
how thorough you are with your exploration,
how many extra bosses you are willing to suffer with.
and more importantly whether you share exp with inactive party members or not and the level you are now.
Higher difficulty levels like core add more enemies on the map which also means more exp.
however the enemies also become harder to kill so it is a tradeoff.

[seeker1]

You are following in my footsteps. Personally, I found that my Azata Druid really appreciated the ability to plant trees all over the place, it seems to be a perk of the path.

[kodama]

Originally posted by Damaskus213:

Originally posted by kodama:

Unfortunately Demon can't be Lawful, but it won't come to play before act 5 - as it was mentioned above, you will get a quest to shift your alignment to allowed value. If you fail to complete it, you will find yourself locked out from Mythic 9 & 10 (and therefore from full Transformation).

What you probably can do, however, is to go 7 mythic levels as Hellknight Demon and then turn into Legend at Mythic 8.

If that's not an option and Hellknight is a must, then Aeon (with Devil option later on), Angel or Lich are your real choices here.

Thanks for your reply! Ist it possible to reach level 15 before this quest? Because if I planned correctly I can go 5 level Fighter, than 10 level Hellknight. If I can manage this before I have to be chaotic to turn into the demon its fine right? Because contrary to the paladin I do not lose anything if my alignment shifts. It would only prevent futher levelin up as hellknigth, which I do not need if I already reached the 10 level of hellknight.

I did some research, cause from my expierience @Conquista tends to be right and I would hate to lead you into about 50 hours of gameplay just to learn it didn't work. And from what I've found sadly that would be the case:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/q3xs6b/for_the_ultimate_final_answer_alignment_and/

UPDATE:

Found this in the patch notes for 0.8.0:

Changing alignment to match your Mythic Path no longer breaks classes with alignment restrictions, as you continue to gain powers from your Mythic Path.

But it's still not exactly clear as to what that means in terms of progressing a class. However it does seem to refute point 3, in that your class won't break on taking a mythic path.

UPDATE 2:

So upon testing it seems like it actually IS point 3. If you take a mythic path that doesn't go with the alignment your class has to be in, you WILL break your base class. So no you can't be a fallen demon paladin and keep your powers. Which is beyond stupid given the games own setting and characters but what can you do?

Patch notes in question:

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1184370/view/4388179026217548325

What it means for you is that realistically speaking you're looking at Armiger 5/Hellknight 5 (maaaybe 6-7 if you can postpone path quests) before you'll get locked out from leveling Hellknight. Scroll of Atonement also won't work, because your new default would be Demon's alignment (Chaotic Evil):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/q2e78t/is_it_possible_to_be_a_lawful_evil_demon/

Sorry for my previous misleading post.

[Damaskus213]

Originally posted by kodama:

Sorry for my previous misleading post.

Well thanks for the clarification! So back to the drawing board with my Character.
Dirge Bard going lich was next.

I only have stupid ideas xD

[Gorwe]

NG is available for Angel, Azata and Gold Dragon. In fact, iirc, it is GD's core alignment. True Neutral is available for EVERYONE.

[foxpwnsyou]

Originally posted by kodama:

Originally posted by Damaskus213:

I am sry to hijack this thread with my own question. but I somehow do not get this alignment for the mythic path thing.

My plan was to play a lawful evil hellknight with the Demon path. Unfortunately Hellknights have to be lawful and the demon path is chaotic evil. If I now adopt the Demon path at act 2, will I automatically get the chaotic evil alignment and no longer be possible to advance as hellknight?

Unfortunately Demon can't be Lawful, but it won't come to play before act 5 - as it was mentioned above, you will get a quest to shift your alignment to allowed value. If you fail to complete it, you will find yourself locked out from Mythic 9 & 10 (and therefore from full Transformation).

What you probably can do, however, is to go 7 mythic levels as Hellknight Demon and then turn into Legend at Mythic 8.

If that's not an option and Hellknight is a must, then Aeon (with Devil option later on), Angel or Lich are your real choices here.

Why would a Hellknight? the embodiment of LAW of the land go Demon though lol? that makes 100% NO sense at all, read up on the lore my dude...at worst they are Lawful Evil and would go Aeon then Devil Route... as they worship Devils typically despite what they try to say about the Godclaw they really only mostly give af about Asmodeus LOL...

[jsaving]

Correct, demons embody chaos so it doesn't make sense in-game to go that route while simultaneously embracing its antithesis in the Hellknight class. Unless you're wanting to role-play a character who repudiates law in order to embrace their demonic tendencies, in which case losing Hellknight features would be a natural and expected consequence of your decision.