I hate Iomedae

[◕‿‿◕]

We've dealt with the queen now let's move on to the little goddess.
She's not LG she's LE no less. Why? When Arueshalae asked me to kill Jaruunicka Hag and kinda didn't tell the whole truth she thought that such a monstrous evil would make even Dahak shudder and so she was ready to flee to the wilds of the continent out of shame. Thats CG way of thinking.
Hand of the inheritor is a LG. He didn't even feel his tormentor efforts therefore he punished himself much more severely out of remorse. And when I gave him his heart and forgave him he went into voluntary exile because he realized what a piece of crаp he was.
What about goddess? Iomedae help us. Iomedae grant us salvation. For Iomedae! But she just don't give a damn lol. In just 100 years she had rotted to the core. Do you want to hear her excuses? I'm afraid of starting a planar war here. During the first crusade she wasn't afraid when she burned everyone with heavenly fire and a crowd of her angels slaughtered demons with heavenly blades. And now all of a sudden I'm scared. I'm care about common people. What if the demons get offended and start invading? They haven't been going to the material plane as their home for the last 100 years have they?
And she feeds everyone with this crap even her herald and her former (girl)friend Galfrey.
Do you know why? Because she's nothing more but a lying evil bitсh. When mortals do not lie to others they lie to themselves, yes yes. She's a ex-mortal so you know she probably thinks that she's LG but she's not. People spend decades smashing their foreheads in prayers to their favorite goddess but she doesn't say a word. But at one moment she spoke. Oh how she spoke for all the years that had passed indeed. When she realized her favorite world wound was about to be closed by some upstart.
Do you know you're going to die when you close it? No? And if you don't close it you'll die anyway. Do you wanna die? If you don't let me just take off your powers and we'll close the wound somehow later. No? Hmm. Do you know who's helping you? See her? She's Nocticula the Redeemer Queen don't trust her she's evil. Let me take off your powers instead.
When I read that dialogue I just couldn't believe that the Goddes trying to feed me this kind of horsеshit.
A hypocritical lying evil and mean bitсh.

[Conquista]

man i'm not sure having these imagined conversations with fictional people in your head is healthy at all, so calm down my friend, its just a videogame

[Uzkin]

Gods DEFINE what is Lawful and what is Good. Iomedae is Lawful Good simply because she says so, and there's nothing the mortals can do about it. Areelu tried to stand against this world order but she failed, and got reduced by Pharasma into a demonic larva crawling helplessly about in some forgotten pit in the Abyss.

[Gigabyte]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ man, are you okay? First of all she isnt trying to "take" your powers, she doesnt understand your powers most of all. The fact that they are from a demon plan she has all the right to be worried. You kinda point it out yourself though, Iomadae has only been a god for 100 years or so at this point. Compare this to all the other gods who have been around for a long time or at the very least were not thrown straight into a large conflict like the worldwound. Do I think she handled it perfectly? No, but I mean its not like the other gods were going out of there way to stop it either. The gods try not to put themselves into situations where there opposing gods can take advantage of it and make the situation escalate even more. And if i remember the actual reasons correctly, she HAD to step back because other gods began taking notice of her activities in the world wound and it actually could have caused alot more problems.

[◕‿‿◕]

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Gods DEFINE what is Lawful and what is Good. Iomedae is Lawful Good simply because she says so, and there's nothing the mortals can do about it. Areelu tried to stand against this world order but she failed, and got reduced by Pharasma into a demonic larva crawling helplessly about in some forgotten pit in the Abyss.

It's not that hard to define as you may think. Certain actions have a certain weight which if committed pushes the point on your character sheet in one direction or another. There is no room for moral relativism in this system good is good and evil is evil. Therefore the actions of certain characters cannot be very different from their formal alignment. But the opposite is also true. Their alignment cannot be much different from their actions.

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by ◕‿‿◕:

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Gods DEFINE what is Lawful and what is Good. Iomedae is Lawful Good simply because she says so, and there's nothing the mortals can do about it. Areelu tried to stand against this world order but she failed, and got reduced by Pharasma into a demonic larva crawling helplessly about in some forgotten pit in the Abyss.

It's not that hard to define as you may think. Certain actions have a certain weight which if committed pushes the point on your character sheet in one direction or another. There is no room for moral relativism in this system good is good and evil is evil. Therefore the actions of certain characters cannot be very different from their formal alignment. But the opposite is also true. Their alignment cannot be much different from their actions.

It is the gods who ultimately judge whether an action is Good or Evil, Lawful or Chaotic. Iomedae can simply decide that her actions are Lawful Good.
If a paladin murders a goblin baby simply because the baby was born a goblin, this likely pleases Iomedae and she may reward the paladin by increasing his Lawful-Goodness rating.

[Elley]

people trying to give you the "whoa chill take ur meds bro just a game man" are actual dimwits. The power figures in this game happen to all be incompetent. There's not a single person besides the Commander, and maybe Regill that get it. I also feel the same way as you do about Iomedae, Paladins that serve a goddess are basically simps and their prayers amount to nothing more than "I told you my prayer, please respond". At least Nocti shows some sort of acknowledgement to Ember's praying.

[thkiwow]

meh. she ain't lawful evil at least. she ain't lawful neutral.
you have to think about it from her prespective. when gods fight, bad ♥♥♥♥ happen. so they genuinely never want to fight, ever. only guard the world. she sends other people to fight for her and almost never intervenes, and if she sends legion of angle and decides not to fight with them, it'd be cowardly.
they have their own club and all, and even though they have labels like 'lawful evil, lawful good' etc. those are more like labels at the parliment, to dictate where you with your other friendses. at least - at some places. their clubs doesn't involve mortals. they can fight over mortals, but they won't kill them or other gods. they literally live in a whole different dimension. why is the hand of the inheritor so ashamed? because he honestly believed in her, and she failed him. even though he won't admit it ever. he still runs away afterwards. he lost trust in her. because she be stoopid.

if it was canon, I'd say that human duche tried to mess with the world too much in the name of 'good' with his propechy, and asmodeous found a chance to open a portal to the abyss and further his own goals. after all, devils would be more tolerated with demons wreaking havoc everywhere. not just that - he succeeded. and not just because he had to, but because the gods decided to ignore him. if you are a zealous slut there's nothing you won't do, even if anyone else decides you're being a douchebad. what the ♥♥♥♥ is a golden age for humanity? there are dozens of other races in there. you can't just descriminate. you know what I think when I hear it? I think superiority complex and slavery. lots of slavery, with opression religious slavery. that human douche went too far in the name of 'good'. not as his intentions, but because he descriminated and as a consequence of his actions. he could never see past his own actions because he's a douche.
but now we have the 'larvae' as his inheritor, and she doesn't know ♥♥♥♥ about being a goddess, so she doesn't do ♥♥♥♥ anyways. she's not one of the original club, and isn't in the know how of how to do things. she didn't create her own realm, or came to birthe the world with her own divine power. she barely knows anything about it compared to asmodeous, who had just gotten to use it.
she's just stooopid. she doesn't see past her own role and doesn't know how to fullfill her goals and ambitions.
anyways, the gods are afraid of what would happen when they fight someone. yes, but galfrey is the real ♥♥♥♥♥ here. this girl, she has been trying to get rid of you ever since you opened your eyes.
she apologizes for it later but who gives a ♥♥♥♥. she constantly sends you on suicide missions, giving you no choice - out of fear, yes, fear and jealousy. honestly, even though she did make the right calls sometimes, sending you to the abyss was wrong. it hardly ever helped your mission at all. if so, why send a small group? why not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ army? and yet, you succeeded.
just like her predecessor ieomede can't see past her own ass. she knows her goals and ambitions... but ignores the consequences of her actions as long as they were in the name of 'good' and what is 'good' she is. who says so? she does. ♥♥♥♥ me and ♥♥♥♥ iomede. I always hated religion and this is just catholicism to me.
you know who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ burned ember at the stake? paladins of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ imomede. yes. burning children at the stake.

alignment means scrap, it's just how the gods use to call each other. they could know where they stand in regards to other gods, and also so they could decide where to send souls and to which divine realms. most of the afterlife realms are made by other gods, with the exception of the abyss and the maelstrom. 'good' gods are benevolent. 'evil' gods just want to futher their own goals. 'chaotic' gods want progress, and 'lawful' gods are conservative, and want things to stay the same.

[kirill-busidow]

Originally posted by ◕‿‿◕:

We've dealt with the queen now let's move on to the little goddess.
She's not LG she's LE no less. Why? When Arueshalae asked me to kill Jaruunicka Hag and kinda didn't tell the whole truth she thought that such a monstrous evil would make even Dahak shudder and so she was ready to flee to the wilds of the continent out of shame. Thats CG way of thinking.
Hand of the inheritor is a LG. He didn't even feel his tormentor efforts therefore he punished himself much more severely out of remorse. And when I gave him his heart and forgave him he went into voluntary exile because he realized what a piece of crаp he was.
What about goddess? Iomedae help us. Iomedae grant us salvation. For Iomedae! But she just don't give a damn lol. In just 100 years she had rotted to the core. Do you want to hear her excuses? I'm afraid of starting a planar war here. During the first crusade she wasn't afraid when she burned everyone with heavenly fire and a crowd of her angels slaughtered demons with heavenly blades. And now all of a sudden I'm scared. I'm care about common people. What if the demons get offended and start invading? They haven't been going to the material plane as their home for the last 100 years have they?
And she feeds everyone with this crap even her herald and her former (girl)friend Galfrey.
Do you know why? Because she's nothing more but a lying evil bitсh. When mortals do not lie to others they lie to themselves, yes yes. She's a ex-mortal so you know she probably thinks that she's LG but she's not. People spend decades smashing their foreheads in prayers to their favorite goddess but she doesn't say a word. But at one moment she spoke. Oh how she spoke for all the years that had passed indeed. When she realized her favorite world wound was about to be closed by some upstart.
Do you know you're going to die when you close it? No? And if you don't close it you'll die anyway. Do you wanna die? If you don't let me just take off your powers and we'll close the wound somehow later. No? Hmm. Do you know who's helping you? See her? She's Nocticula the Redeemer Queen don't trust her she's evil. Let me take off your powers instead.
When I read that dialogue I just couldn't believe that the Goddes trying to feed me this kind of horsеshit.
A hypocritical lying evil and mean bitсh.

Inquisitor Hulrun, this one, here!

[◕‿‿◕]

All of you who are afraid of planar wars let me remind you that there was also such a dude as Aroden. He showed everyone his middle finger. Anyone could see it. I don't want to make any provocative statements here but it was women who came to power after his death.

Originally posted by Conquista:

man i'm not sure having these imagined conversations with fictional people in your head is healthy at all, so calm down my friend, its just a videogame

You are such a bore. Name the last time in an RPG when the world was complicated enough to even discuss something about it? Just name it.
Hearts of stone probably. Divinity Original Sin 2. Divinity original's gate 3 will come out in the near future and that's it.

[Conquista]

Originally posted by ◕‿‿◕:

Originally posted by Conquista:

man i'm not sure having these imagined conversations with fictional people in your head is healthy at all, so calm down my friend, its just a videogame

You are such a bore. Name the last time in an RPG when the world was complicated enough to even discuss something about it? Just name it.
Hearts of stone probably. Divinity Original Sin 2. Divinity original's gate 3 will come out in the near future and that's it.

your initial post sound like you having a meltdown because of your hate for a fictional character in a videogame

that is overall just pretty weird behavior and i'm not trying to antagonize you, just relax man don't let videogames trigger so much negativity out of you

[Sockpooper]

I think the negative feelings towards Iomadae and Gallfrey are very warranted. If we're gonna let actions speak louder than words neither one has done anything that has impressed me. Both just REEK of an aura of "my way or I'm gonna drive this flaming clown car straight into that giant mound of poop." MY personal shining victory over them was as a demon getting the unshakable paladin of demonic hatred Ciar to accept me as their best hope. Not only that but having Hulrun and Ciar successfully protect the SOV un-aided by me, the queen, or their imposter goddess triumphantly stated they never had any doubt! After which the queen drove said car into poop mound and that was that. Iomadae has more of a new kid on the block and gotta defend my turf complex. Trying with all her divine righteousness to not allow the mortal be the next new kid on the block. Also she ascended a mere century before, and the whole thing in hindsight feels just.....pathetic really.

Now to move onto Mr. or Mrs. mental evaluator. Just gonna say living in a real world that seams more fictional than the story's we read about, and also being physically confining at times with health measures, there's nothing wrong with going online and discussing opinions or personal philosophy. It's actually quite practiced in literature classes. Critical thinking and evaluation is good. If things seem overly negative well maybe that person had a rough day and needs an outlet to vent, but I don't think anything written was abusively or attacking a (real) person.

[Indure]

I don't really get the hate people have for Iomedae. She visits you after you kill a demon lord and she learns that the origin of your power is from another demon lord and Areelu. It makes perfect sense for her not only to question whether or not you are being controlled by the forces of evil either consciously or unconsciously, but also to be a little fearful of you for killing something close to her in power level.

If you are playing as a swarm, demon, or lich then her meeting proves 100% warranted, and if you are angel or azata she will later apologize to you for her initial hesitation backing you.

[jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi]

Originally posted by ◕‿‿◕:

We've dealt with the queen now let's move on to the little goddess.
She's not LG she's LE no less. Why? When Arueshalae asked me to kill Jaruunicka Hag and kinda didn't tell the whole truth she thought that such a monstrous evil would make even Dahak shudder and so she was ready to flee to the wilds of the continent out of shame. Thats CG way of thinking.
Hand of the inheritor is a LG. He didn't even feel his tormentor efforts therefore he punished himself much more severely out of remorse. And when I gave him his heart and forgave him he went into voluntary exile because he realized what a piece of crаp he was.
What about goddess? Iomedae help us. Iomedae grant us salvation. For Iomedae! But she just don't give a damn lol. In just 100 years she had rotted to the core. Do you want to hear her excuses? I'm afraid of starting a planar war here. During the first crusade she wasn't afraid when she burned everyone with heavenly fire and a crowd of her angels slaughtered demons with heavenly blades. And now all of a sudden I'm scared. I'm care about common people. What if the demons get offended and start invading? They haven't been going to the material plane as their home for the last 100 years have they?
And she feeds everyone with this crap even her herald and her former (girl)friend Galfrey.
Do you know why? Because she's nothing more but a lying evil bitсh. When mortals do not lie to others they lie to themselves, yes yes. She's a ex-mortal so you know she probably thinks that she's LG but she's not. People spend decades smashing their foreheads in prayers to their favorite goddess but she doesn't say a word. But at one moment she spoke. Oh how she spoke for all the years that had passed indeed. When she realized her favorite world wound was about to be closed by some upstart.
Do you know you're going to die when you close it? No? And if you don't close it you'll die anyway. Do you wanna die? If you don't let me just take off your powers and we'll close the wound somehow later. No? Hmm. Do you know who's helping you? See her? She's Nocticula the Redeemer Queen don't trust her she's evil. Let me take off your powers instead.
When I read that dialogue I just couldn't believe that the Goddes trying to feed me this kind of horsеshit.
A hypocritical lying evil and mean bitсh.

My sentiments exactly, I've no love for Iomadae with any of my characters; none of them worship her and there is no way my main character whom is way older and far more powerful and wiser then her is going to listen to an upstart human who ascended to godhood. Two words sum up Iomedae Lawfully Stupid. I can't blame your hatred; she is rather stupid and naive she's a young godess who doesn't understand the way the universe works which is what happens when you give a human being divine power; also you neglected to mention how she is willing to give powers to VERY evil people like Halrun and is willing to tolorate the mass murder of human beings by her inquisitors whom whenever I run into them they get killed by me the moment they give me just cause to; it happened to the one in Kingmaker whom killed Varrask's family, I happens to Halrun EVERY time I play the game and it will happen to any zealot of Iomedae who thinks themselves just to carry out murder.
As it stands I'd sooner follow Desna or Cayden Callien or any of the Chaotic deitys over her; hell I'd worship Baphomet or Deskari over her that's how much I share your hate of Iomedae, and at least with Nocticula she at least is TRYING to turn over a new leaf as the Redeemer Queen, Iomedae is in complete denial of her own flaws and her own stupidity

[jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi]

Originally posted by kirill-busidow:

Originally posted by ◕‿‿◕:

We've dealt with the queen now let's move on to the little goddess.
She's not LG she's LE no less. Why? When Arueshalae asked me to kill Jaruunicka Hag and kinda didn't tell the whole truth she thought that such a monstrous evil would make even Dahak shudder and so she was ready to flee to the wilds of the continent out of shame. Thats CG way of thinking.
Hand of the inheritor is a LG. He didn't even feel his tormentor efforts therefore he punished himself much more severely out of remorse. And when I gave him his heart and forgave him he went into voluntary exile because he realized what a piece of crаp he was.
What about goddess? Iomedae help us. Iomedae grant us salvation. For Iomedae! But she just don't give a damn lol. In just 100 years she had rotted to the core. Do you want to hear her excuses? I'm afraid of starting a planar war here. During the first crusade she wasn't afraid when she burned everyone with heavenly fire and a crowd of her angels slaughtered demons with heavenly blades. And now all of a sudden I'm scared. I'm care about common people. What if the demons get offended and start invading? They haven't been going to the material plane as their home for the last 100 years have they?
And she feeds everyone with this crap even her herald and her former (girl)friend Galfrey.
Do you know why? Because she's nothing more but a lying evil bitсh. When mortals do not lie to others they lie to themselves, yes yes. She's a ex-mortal so you know she probably thinks that she's LG but she's not. People spend decades smashing their foreheads in prayers to their favorite goddess but she doesn't say a word. But at one moment she spoke. Oh how she spoke for all the years that had passed indeed. When she realized her favorite world wound was about to be closed by some upstart.
Do you know you're going to die when you close it? No? And if you don't close it you'll die anyway. Do you wanna die? If you don't let me just take off your powers and we'll close the wound somehow later. No? Hmm. Do you know who's helping you? See her? She's Nocticula the Redeemer Queen don't trust her she's evil. Let me take off your powers instead.
When I read that dialogue I just couldn't believe that the Goddes trying to feed me this kind of horsеshit.
A hypocritical lying evil and mean bitсh.

Inquisitor Hulrun, this one, here!

He's dead I killed him or rather Ember did she cut him clean in half

[Boss Tripp]

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