Spell Focus Enchantment?

[Sin]

Hello everyone.
I am not very familliar with the Pathfinder system as such I am not necessarily aware of the effectiveness of different spellschools / the importance of leaning into one school over another and / or the expected resistances on enemies I am to face down, so I could use your input.

I am toying with the Witch kit and from what I am seeing there are alot of enchantment spells so picking the associated spell focus seems reasonable, though it will undoubtadly mess with the effectiveness of my damage spells, which obviously wouldn't be the focus of the build to begin with.
Is the spell focus needed / at least reasonably useful or am I going to run into endless immunitys and the like?

Current build idea is ley line Guardian enchantress, flinging hexes and debuffs while the rest of the party cleans house. (I was contemplating the hex channeler, but with potential resistances in mind I'd guess that the d4 level increase might be more importent.)

[Drake]

Only undead and constructs (golems mainly) are immune to enchantments. For the rest, you need spell penetration (which is good in any case for offencive spells, even damage) and any that raises the DC (so spell focus etc.). You'll want also metamagic and favorite metamagic persistent spells, so that you roll twice in case the DC fails. This is important on higher levels.

[Sin]

Originally posted by Drake:

Only undead and constructs (golems mainly) are immune to enchantments. For the rest, you need spell penetration (which is good in any case for offencive spells, even damage) and any that raises the DC (so spell focus etc.). You'll want also metamagic and favorite metamagic persistent spells, so that you roll twice in case the DC fails. This is important on higher levels.

Thanks for the swift and concise reply.

[GunStarX]

If you're not already set on a mythic path, azata favorable magic has enemies roll twice for every save, and the ode to magic level 3 spell boosts DC against will saves. I know you said witch, but sorcerer with fey and undead bloodline is an extremely op enchanter build

[Sin]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

If you're not already set on a mythic path, azata favorable magic has enemies roll twice for every save, and the ode to magic level 3 spell boosts DC against will saves. I know you said witch, but sorcerer with fey and undead bloodline is an extremely op enchanter build

Sorcerer is my usual go to, but I was reading classes and I feel like if I am to play a witch than it would have to be like this. A damage witch and I would just ask myself why I am not rolling sorcerer to begin with^^' Feels like a much better fit for unadulterated blasting than the witch kit.

[GunStarX]

Originally posted by Sin:

Originally posted by GunStarX:

If you're not already set on a mythic path, azata favorable magic has enemies roll twice for every save, and the ode to magic level 3 spell boosts DC against will saves. I know you said witch, but sorcerer with fey and undead bloodline is an extremely op enchanter build

Sorcerer is my usual go to, but I was reading classes and I feel like if I am to play a witch than it would have to be like this. A damage witch and I would just ask myself why I am not rolling sorcerer to begin with^^' Feels like a much better fit for unadulterated blasting than the witch kit.

I've been thinking about a witch hex channeler lich build myself

I've tried the enchanter azata sorcerer. I cc'd Staunton/minahgo, the red dragon 3 times in a row, xanthar, playful darkness. I got bored in act 4 since I could instantly shut down every encounter with either hideous laughter or overwhelming grief

[Sin]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Originally posted by Sin:

Sorcerer is my usual go to, but I was reading classes and I feel like if I am to play a witch than it would have to be like this. A damage witch and I would just ask myself why I am not rolling sorcerer to begin with^^' Feels like a much better fit for unadulterated blasting than the witch kit.

I've been thinking about a witch hex channeler lich build myself

I've tried the enchanter azata sorcerer. I cc'd Staunton/minahgo, the red dragon 3 times in a row, xanthar, playful darkness. I got bored in act 4 since I could instantly shut down every encounter with either hideous laughter or overwhelming grief

Hex Channeler was my gut jerk reaction but when I looked a lil deeper into the class it looked like I would have to give up hex picks for channeling dice and use up a feat to make the channeling even worth using (aka not heal the enemy / damage my party while channeling during combat). That looked like too much commitment in the planing and build study department for a first playthrough. Planing on just ..goofing around with different hexes, see what I like, got a few hot contenders already, a more ..streamlined approach.. can be taken during a later playthrough^^
Glad to hear that enchantment is worth a damn, most games neglect the usefullness of that kind of magic.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

I've tried the enchanter azata sorcerer. I cc'd Staunton/minahgo, the red dragon 3 times in a row, xanthar, playful darkness. I got bored in act 4 since I could instantly shut down every encounter with either hideous laughter or overwhelming grief

Don't they immune to mind affecting spells? I saw such entry in the immunities list of almost all strong demons and so haven't even tried to bother with enchantment school

[GunStarX]

Originally posted by Mephisto:

Originally posted by GunStarX:

I've tried the enchanter azata sorcerer. I cc'd Staunton/minahgo, the red dragon 3 times in a row, xanthar, playful darkness. I got bored in act 4 since I could instantly shut down every encounter with either hideous laughter or overwhelming grief

Don't they immune to mind affecting spells? I saw such entry in the immunities list of almost all strong demons and so haven't even tried to bother with enchantment school

Not sure about late game, but most demons I came across weren't immune to compulsion. Lots immune to prone making hideous laughter less effective, but overwhelming grief would take them down. Undead bloodline is key to use mind effecting against undead

[Schutzengel]

Immunity to mind-effecting effects grows more common in mid to late-game. Offensive Enchantment spells have zero effect on these enemies and there is no Mythic Ability to ignore these Immunities.

[Sin]

Quick question since it was mentioned above:
Do Favorable Magic (Azata Mythic power which forces enemies to reroll their saving throws [among other things] ) and Hex Missfortune (forces enemies to reroll saving throws among other things) stack? Can't find any answer to that online.