Evil Eye is worthless on Unfair

[Phil85]

Since playing on unfair, I haven't landed a single evil eye on any mob. I'm using ember and her CHA is 6 or 7. Is this intended?

[Frostfeather]

Didn't you already post about this? Lol. Evil Eye is op as hell on Unfair.

[NekoAlien]

evil eye debuff last for one turn even the enemy pass the save, it never miss

[jutschi78]

Evil eye is a mind effecting ability, some creatures are immun against it.

All other creatures get a heavy debuff at least one round

[Phil85]

Sorry, I must have been confused by the constant "mob x has resisted evil eye" messages. I will assume that I have one round of debuff. Thanks.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Sorry, I must have been confused by the constant "mob x has resisted evil eye" messages. I will assume that I have one round of debuff. Thanks.

Yes that's how you use it, you cast evil eye, it gets resisted and then you chain cackle with you move action to extend it each round (so that you can cast something else with your standard action, like another evil eye or a spell without losing the other hexes in place).

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Phil85:

Sorry, I must have been confused by the constant "mob x has resisted evil eye" messages. I will assume that I have one round of debuff. Thanks.

Yes that's how you use it, you cast evil eye, it gets resisted and then you chain cackle with you move action to extend it each round (so that you can cast something else with your standard action, like another evil eye or a spell without losing the other hexes in place).

Thanks for the help. This is my first Pathfinder game and some of the descriptions and messages in game can be confusing or misleading.

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Originally posted by Phil85:

Since playing on unfair, I haven't landed a single evil eye on any mob. I'm using ember and her CHA is 6 or 7. Is this intended?

That sounds... unfair.

[Wither]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Since playing on unfair, I haven't landed a single evil eye on any mob. I'm using ember and her CHA is 6 or 7. Is this intended?

I think caster had it worse with HD restrict spell.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Wither:

Originally posted by Phil85:

Since playing on unfair, I haven't landed a single evil eye on any mob. I'm using ember and her CHA is 6 or 7. Is this intended?

I think caster had it worse with HD restrict spell.

Hexes don't have an HD restriction, they have limited duration, or cooldown per target instead, that's part of the strength of hexes (they effectively can be used every encounter), they are pretty much better spammable versions of cantrips and low level spells.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Thanks for the help. This is my first Pathfinder game and some of the descriptions and messages in game can be confusing or misleading.

Why on earth are you playing on Unfair for your first Pathfinder game??

[Phil85]

Originally posted by night4:

Originally posted by Phil85:

Thanks for the help. This is my first Pathfinder game and some of the descriptions and messages in game can be confusing or misleading.

Why on earth are you playing on Unfair for your first Pathfinder game??

I started off on core and advanced as I learned more about the game. I have played many strategy games over the years, so I'm not a complete newbie. Pathfinder has a steep learning curve, but thanks to helpful people on this forum, I am gradually learning how things work.
Fair disclosure: I'm playing on custom so that I can respec and try different classes when I want. This has helped me learn and it's al ot of fun.

[Frostfeather]

I don't think learning the game on Unfair is the best idea.

For one, Unfair makes many classes/archetypes/strategies less viable, so you're limiting yourself both in those terms and in terms of rp. And for another, Unfair doesn't relate to anything in tabletop... it's just Owlcat throwing around bigger numbers. You're not learning the Pathfinder system on the whole, really, you're learning a narrow way of playing these Owlcat Pathfinder games only.

While it's ok to ask questions here of course, it kinda seems like many of your questions would be answered very easily with a quick search online. Not like I want to discourage discussion really, but... it would be more for your sake so you don't have to wait for a reply here that may or may not be completely accurate.

Also, especially for Unfair, you want to pay attention to the combat log and enemy stats. You would have noticed that Evil Eye was working for at least a round if you'd looked at either one. Again, just saying this for your benefit.

[Phil85]

Originally posted by night4:

I don't think learning the game on Unfair is the best idea.

For one, Unfair makes many classes/archetypes/strategies less viable, so you're limiting yourself both in those terms and in terms of rp. And for another, Unfair doesn't relate to anything in tabletop... it's just Owlcat throwing around bigger numbers. You're not learning the Pathfinder system on the whole, really, you're learning a narrow way of playing these Owlcat Pathfinder games only.

While it's ok to ask questions here of course, it kinda seems like many of your questions would be answered very easily with a quick search online. Not like I want to discourage discussion really, but... it would be more for your sake so you don't have to wait for a reply here that may or may not be completely accurate.

Also, especially for Unfair, you want to pay attention to the combat log and enemy stats. You would have noticed that Evil Eye was working for at least a round if you'd looked at either one. Again, just saying this for your benefit.

Thanks for the input. I do check online for many questions I have. Sometimes it's helpful, other times it's not. Watching 45 minute videos about different people's builds can be pretty painful after awhile, for example. The wiki is helpful at times, but not always. I do check my combat logs often, as well as the stats of the mobs and characters in my group. during combat. I made a wrong assumption about the evil eye skill when I saw in the log that it was repeatedly resisted.
Would you suggest using the next hardest setting below unfair? I don't want to play a game where only a narrow meta build is viable, and the game is not authentic to table top. I want a challenge, but not some gimmicky, narrowly focused game.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Thanks for the input. I do check online for many questions I have. Sometimes it's helpful, other times it's not. Watching 45 minute videos about different people's builds can be pretty painful after awhile, for example. The wiki is helpful at times, but not always. I do check my combat logs often, as well as the stats of the mobs and characters in my group. during combat. I made a wrong assumption about the evil eye skill when I saw in the log that it was repeatedly resisted.
Would you suggest using the next hardest setting below unfair? I don't want to play a game where only a narrow meta build is viable, and the game is not authentic to table top. I want a challenge, but not some gimmicky, narrowly focused game.

I'd skip all videos entirely. There's no information in any one that you couldn't have gotten 20 times faster another way. Also, I'd skip all build ideas entirely. One of the greatest strengths of Pathfinder is its build options, and it's an incredible shame to just copy what someone else has done. You're throwing away one of the best parts of the game, especially if you're limiting yourself to Unfair.

I'd first make an rp character concept, then make them effective in combat after that.

As for the difficulty, I'd just do Core. You'll actually be able to use abilities that have a save somewhat reliably. Bosses will still be more challenging and require some kind of strategy, even if that's just buff stacking. On Unfair, you're likely unable to regularly use most spells and abilities in the game if they do have a save (unless you've built your group around that somewhat).

[Phil85]

Thanks for the advice. I agree, copying builds is not a good idea. I stopped doing that after a few days of playing. I was just looking for some ideas. Now my builds are all my own, perhaps with a few ideas taken form others here and there. Making new builds is one of my favorite parts of this game, which is why I am using the free respec feature(so it's actually a custom difficulty due to that).
Is the next lower difficulty a decent option? I found Core to be ok for a while, but got a bit too easy in ACT 3. Maybe ACT 4 will be harder.