Is this ridiculous or what? Spoiler

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After an 8 hour slog doing Drezen, just what I need is A STUPID PUZZLE.

And my reward - for getting it wrong or getting it right? Who is to say? Is a Rogue Demon who 2 times out of 3 kill Seelah in 1 round!

Awesome! Who comes up with this amazing game pacing! Nothing like wanting to uninstall as my reward for 8 hours or ridiculous fights!

[Babbles]

Just note that demon is hiding there, it isn't actually related to the puzzle.

[~ Fabulous ~]

umm you use the secret passage? I just barge in at the front gate, you do not need to use the 3 keys

[Mindeveler]

Drezen doesn't need 8 hours to be conquered, unless you upped the difficulty too much and/or play in turn-based mode.

Pathfinder games are long and will burn you out if you do this.
That's the mistake I made when playing Kingmaker - turn-based on hard. I was sick of that game by the end of it.

But I just finished my second game in WotR (both - in rtwp mode, 1 - with full party on normal, another - solo unfair (but with mc kineticist)) and I'm still full of energy.

[fox5s]

Yeah, the stealthy Tentacle demon there made me think something was up with the puzzle the first time i did that part. Nope! It's just chilling. And for long enough you will prob start messing with the puzzle and get interrupted. Wasn't even a hard demon to fight after the initial surprise. >.<

That is a dirty puzzle though. If you mess it up from the initial state it gets annoying. But brute forcing it will eventually work. Sort of. Quicksave before you pick up the Banner. >.>

[Babbles]

For the puzzle, if you look towards the Banner, solve the bottom right circle, then start solving the bottom left (should only be 2 clicks) and the whole thing will solve. I must have spent a million years on this until I just randomly tried the above and it now works every time :)

[revan1229]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Just note that demon is hiding there, it isn't actually related to the puzzle.

I think it is....kind of. Sometimes it just appears before I solve the puzzle, and sometimes it makes comments about my character solving the puzzle and 4-5 demons attack after solving it.

[Stormsong]

Originally posted by revan1229:

Originally posted by Babbles:

Just note that demon is hiding there, it isn't actually related to the puzzle.

I think it is....kind of. Sometimes it just appears before I solve the puzzle, and sometimes it makes comments about my character solving the puzzle and 4-5 demons attack after solving it.

You can discover and kill the demon before ever touching the puzzle and you will only have to contend with the one, named, Shadow Demon. It's when you do the puzzle before discovering the demon that it summons friends.

[revan1229]

Originally posted by Stormsong the Fallen:

Originally posted by revan1229:

I think it is....kind of. Sometimes it just appears before I solve the puzzle, and sometimes it makes comments about my character solving the puzzle and 4-5 demons attack after solving it.

You can discover and kill the demon before ever touching the puzzle and you will only have to contend with the one, named, Shadow Demon. It's when you do the puzzle before discovering the demon that it summons friends.

I know....that's why I'm saying that it is at least partially related to the puzzle.

[Martialis]

The puzzle isn't that hard, and you don't even have to do it. Just cast resist elements and grab the banner. It's like people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the tavern fight when it can be easily avoided.

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Originally posted by Martialis:

The puzzle isn't that hard, and you don't even have to do it. Just cast resist elements and grab the banner. It's like people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the tavern fight when it can be easily avoided.

I got the puzzle within a minute after killing the Shadow Demon.

And I have spent another 5 hours already and still not out of the stupid tower. I just got to the command center. The pacing is just brutal.

[Jericho]

.... I cleared drezen 100% in 45 minutes .... I have no idea what this man is talking about.

[droggen]

Originally posted by Jericho:

.... I cleared drezen 100% in 45 minutes .... I have no idea what this man is talking about.

I mean a wide number of factors can be put into play here from the game to the player my first run at drezen was TBM on Normal it took me a good 2-3 hours fully clearing everything, Where as my second time in RTC on the easiest setting I blew through it in 45 minutes like you.

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Originally posted by droggen:

Originally posted by Jericho:

.... I cleared drezen 100% in 45 minutes .... I have no idea what this man is talking about.

I mean a wide number of factors can be put into play here from the game to the player my first run at drezen was TBM on Normal it took me a good 2-3 hours fully clearing everything, Where as my second time in RTC on the easiest setting I blew through it in 45 minutes like you.

They are not wrong. I started over shortly after this post, to be effective I needed to turn base every fight.

Still using some of the core mechanics of previous playstarts, but - ergh... have now 'minmaxed' some other things.

Uploading my victory over Minagho 1.

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Originally posted by Jericho:

.... I cleared drezen 100% in 45 minutes .... I have no idea what this man is talking about.

My first time on Drezen, without spoilers, here's what happened;

I did not know Nurah was a rat and took the sneak path. Beat the ambush thing pretty easy

Then I cleared the courtyards in what I assume is the reverse order, rested about a half dozen times total after clearing out all the 'segments' then pushing back through to trigger the siege mechanics and fights

My builds required me to consistently keep up wards/protective hexes then chants/cackles which means turn based for me.

So Drezen took me 2 days and still didn't crack the command tower

[Fingusa of the East]

I remember when I was streaming this game that Drezen, with everything involved, took me three about 5 hour streams.

One for the Chapel stuff. One for Drezen itself. One for the inside of Drezen and following talking to NPCs and such.

So yeah, Drezen is one hell of an undertaking. Very time consuming and frustrating due to overpowered spellcasters, enemies spawning out of nowhere, random boss battles and of course, the boy at the top of Drezen that you cannot even kill.