So a light crossbow is not considered a light weapon?

[Phil85]

It was before the patch, but not after. I was using mythic weapon finesse and suddenly my dmg tanked with my light crossbow.

[SmallGespenst]

weapon finesse working at all with ranged weapons is a bug.

[ExcaliburV]

Yeah, weapon finesse is only for melee weapons, ranged weapons already use dex.

[Phil85]

Maybe it's fixed now.

[Edstyles]

Oh thats a pity . My arushalea is rocking weapon finesse. If it changes i might just bench aru

[Phil85]

What about throwing axes? They are listed as light weapons.

[Hailspork]

Then weapon finesse should apply while wielded in melee, but not when thrown.

[Alealexi]

Wouldn't a hand crossbow be considered light compared to a light crossbow?

[Hailspork]

If you look at the core rulebook for Pathrfinder, there's 5 subcategories of weapons: Unarmed, Light Melee, One-Handed Melee, Two-Handed Melee, and Ranged. (this is for each of the 3 categories: Simple, Martial, and Exotic). Additionally, there are a few weapons that can use finesse, such as Rapier, Elven Curve Blade, and Spiked Chain.
The heaviest "Light" weapon (not including Spiked Armor) is the Light Mace at 4 lbs. Clubs and Shortspears, both in the One-Handed Melee subcategory, each weight 3 lbs. The "Light" subcategory isn't just about weight, but how the weapon is handled.
A Hand Crossbow weighs less than a Light Crossbow, but neither is a Light Melee Weapon.

[Edstyles]

To be fair crossbow should be aloud for finesse cause there is no such thing as composite crossbow

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

To be fair crossbow should be aloud for finesse cause there is no such thing as composite crossbow

Not really. The benefit of a crossbow compared to a normal bow is that a negative strength score won't hurt your damage, where for a bow it does. So for characters like Nenio and Daeran that have crap for strength, crossbows are great. They don't need finesse on top of that.

And let's be real, discarding the mythic rules for a sec, what would finesse for a ranged weapon actually do? Nothing. They're already dex weapons. That's why weapon finesse is only for melee weapons, because they're normally strength-based.

[Hailspork]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

To be fair crossbow should be aloud for finesse cause there is no such thing as composite crossbow

That logic definitely doesn't follow. Finesse has nothing to do with composite bows.

Even if it did, and Mythic Weapon Finesse applied to crossbows, (I assume you mean mythic and not regular, since crossbows already use dex to attack) they don't have a str mod to replace with dex for damage.

You could make an argument that there should be a +dex to damage ability (and there is at least one in PF; Gunslinger), but it's definitely not any version of weapon finesse.

[Edstyles]

You still have to use a mythic feat for it. Fair game imo. Specially considering mythic feats are stronger than normal feats.
Not to mention that all companions Are better with a composite would make sense to balance it that way
Another important thing is U cant get mythic until lv 6 which def makes it more balanced
While you can get finesse damage to meele as soon as lv 1

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

You have to remember that this isn't a game created by Owlcat, these are the rules of the table top game. Owlcat isn't going to change it just because you don't like it---and alot of what they did, they did for balance sake. These rules have been in place, for years now... if you don't like it go play 5e, where Dex to damage is part of the core.

Bows and Cross Bows do not get Dex to damage, and never have. Mythic feat is SPECIFICALLY for Melee finesse weapons. What part of Melee is confusing? If it was applying to your Crossbow that was a bug... there are a great many bugs in the game that people are currently abusing, which will be fixed. Some of these people don't even realize are bugs... and just assume that is how the game works. But in reality, by RAW much of it is just a bug that needs fixing.

[Edstyles]

Reasoning is balance . All its going to do is make arushale less usefull and she isnt multi class friendly. Which means she gonna get benched .

Not changing my mind in the matter . If there is a change i dont care but i think its the wrong Choice . Its idd an Owlcat game which means its not true to table top . All the more reason to make balance tweaks.

As it is now there is 0 companion that want to use a x bow. Because composite is just better for em. Unless U want to multiclass em to a sneak attack ranged class

To make a comparison my camilla is doing 100 damage on crit as lv 13 as finesse meele user while Aru Even with finesse mythic feat cant get close to it. All she has is sworn enemy and that isnt enough.
Camilla yelling world in crimson killing everything in a few swings is just nuts

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

The only solution to this is a feat that is not in the game to my knowledge is a 3.5 feat Deadeye, so unless someone decides to add 3.5 feats its probably a lost cause. You might hate it, not agree with it but that is just how the game works. Like it or not Owlcat is trying to keep the game as close to tabletop as it can, and while it has changed a few things its not because they thought it was more balanced or liked it better. Its often because they had to do it that way to make it work. IE sneak attack is a good example---even though a modder in kingmaker did find a way to make it work properly.

Basically... like it or hate it, this is just how Paizo and WOTC designed 3.5 and PF is just an update of 3.5 and so it has many carryovers that will likely never be changed.