Monk question

[Ashtak]

Soo i wanted to create a Quearterstaff master Monk and noticed later those staffs are no finess weapons anymore -- no Dex bonus.
Then i respeced into a normal Monk and still had the STR bonus on my fists is that a bug or am I in a wrong P&P version?

[Conquista]

you need a amulett and weapon finesse to use dex for your fists

[Immortal Reaver]

STR is normal for damage and AB, you need Weapon Finesse to get, DEX to AB. For Dex to Damage Fists, you can get Amulet of Agile Fists, Finesse Training, or Weapon Finesse Mythic.
So wrong PnP. I think in 1e Quarterstaves were never Finess weapons.

[Erei]

The only way to get finesse on a large variety of weapons is to go warrior (any) 6 for training, pick advanced fighter training ->finesse. It let you use dex for attack roll on the weapons you picked for weapon training. But not for the damage rolls, for that you need the mythic perk (there are no finesse slashing/piercing perk for those weapons AFAIK).

That's essentially what Regill did for his gnome hammer.


And yes, you NEED to be warrior 6. Taking weapon training elsewhere (like sohei), then dipping warrior 1 will not work. Which is ironic considering a warrior 6 can dip sohei 1 and get all the advantages of a sohei 6. Yes, a mutation warrior 6+1sohei is a better sohei than sohei 7. Unless you really want that horse.
And even taking loremaster to try to "cheese" it will not work. You can get the perk "fighter finesse", but it's not working.



Honestly, I don't know your build, but dex for melee is an easy trap. You need 2 perks to do both attack and damage, while strength need no perks at all for that.

Isn't it possible to simply have your monk go strength ?

[GunStarX]

Originally posted by Erei:

The only way to get finesse on a large variety of weapons is to go warrior (any) 6 for training, pick advanced fighter training ->finesse. It let you use dex for attack roll on the weapons you picked for weapon training. But not for the damage rolls, for that you need the mythic perk (there are no finesse slashing/piercing perk for those weapons AFAIK).

That's essentially what Regill did for his gnome hammer.


And yes, you NEED to be warrior 6. Taking weapon training elsewhere (like sohei), then dipping warrior 1 will not work. Which is ironic considering a warrior 6 can dip sohei 1 and get all the advantages of a sohei 6. Yes, a mutation warrior 6+1sohei is a better sohei than sohei 7. Unless you really want that horse.
And even taking loremaster to try to "cheese" it will not work. You can get the perk "fighter finesse", but it's not working.



Honestly, I don't know your build, but dex for melee is an easy trap. You need 2 perks to do both attack and damage, while strength need no perks at all for that.

Isn't it possible to simply have your monk go strength ?

Dex for melee requires more planing, but it's definitely not a trap. You get to pump 1 stat for damage, attack, and ac. If you use a weapon like the dueling sword you can even get 2H power attack damage, just need to either have 13 str or take a couple levels of ranger/slayer. You can also use slashing grace instead of a mythic feat for damage. Of course the staff in question needs a lot more planning

[Erei]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Originally posted by Erei:

The only way to get finesse on a large variety of weapons is to go warrior (any) 6 for training, pick advanced fighter training ->finesse. It let you use dex for attack roll on the weapons you picked for weapon training. But not for the damage rolls, for that you need the mythic perk (there are no finesse slashing/piercing perk for those weapons AFAIK).

That's essentially what Regill did for his gnome hammer.


And yes, you NEED to be warrior 6. Taking weapon training elsewhere (like sohei), then dipping warrior 1 will not work. Which is ironic considering a warrior 6 can dip sohei 1 and get all the advantages of a sohei 6. Yes, a mutation warrior 6+1sohei is a better sohei than sohei 7. Unless you really want that horse.
And even taking loremaster to try to "cheese" it will not work. You can get the perk "fighter finesse", but it's not working.



Honestly, I don't know your build, but dex for melee is an easy trap. You need 2 perks to do both attack and damage, while strength need no perks at all for that.

Isn't it possible to simply have your monk go strength ?

Dex for melee requires more planing, but it's definitely not a trap. You get to pump 1 stat for damage, attack, and ac. If you use a weapon like the dueling sword you can even get 2H power attack damage, just need to either have 13 str or take a couple levels of ranger/slayer. You can also use slashing grace instead of a mythic feat for damage. Of course the staff in question needs a lot more planning

It's a trap because it's easy to think any weapon will work fine with dex. But in reality, there are a lot of weapon that simply works better with strength.
This is doubly true because a lot of newcomers tend to be unaware that finesse does NOT change how damage is calculated, only attack.

You need a minimum of 2 feats, 3+ possibly mythic if you go fighter finesse, just to have the weapon behave as if you had strength.
While it may works, and some weapon works well for it, for others it's just pointless feats that could have been better used elsewhere.


There are a lot of weapons that works well for dex build, but there are a lot of weapons that suffer if you try to make a dex build with them.

Dueling sword is THE poster child for dex build, with a subclass and a prestige class all built around it. So yes, obviously that one is fine.

[phadin]

Dex for damage in this game works for any character by getting the Mythic Weapon Finesse feat. This includes unarmed monks, but you need that feat first. Until then, use Agile weapons (or amulet of agile fists for monks). Slashing Grace feat is also alternative for some weapons, as are a few other abilities.

[Falkon Swiftblade]

I'm playing QS monk, I'm highest dmg spec so far in my party with exception of Lann if he's on a crit streak. I don't mind missing the dex bonus bc you can use str bonus on power atk which adds 1.5x dmg with 2 handed weapons vs other Dex spec chars weapons are noticeably less dmg.

[Ashtak]

I was defaulting to my Oldest and longest palyed 5e character and just got confused on wy my Quarterstaff did not benefit from my High Dex but its fine now i made a new character