My companions are turning evil

[Nevron]

I'm about half way through the 3rd act and noticed two of my companions have turned evil in their alignment. First it was Daeran who is now neutral evil and then I noticed Regill is now lawful evil. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm not sure what caused it. I tried to use an atonement scroll to turn them back to their starting alignment but it didn't work.

[belangf]

These 2 characters are evil from the start.

[Conquista]

thats like their starting alignment

[The Cystocot]

Companion alignments don't change*, Daeran & Regill are "Evil", either through circumstance, or a somewhat extreme, rigidly pragmatic view of the world.

*You can influence the alignment of Arueshelae, and possibly Woljif, through their companion quests, but they do not change over time. Also, Camellia is CE, but masked by her amulet, though clicking certain classes when levelling up kinda gives it away right from the start. That, and the cannibalism.

[Nevron]

I could have sworn they were both of neutral alignment. Never mind. I'm probably just going insane.

[Aldon]

These whole alignment stuff is stupid. No person is always evil or good. I've played this game 5 times with Daeran on my side, never saw him doing something evil, infact he helped me to slay demons, healing people, closing the world wound but thats not enough, oh no sir he is evil because it's written on his sheet. And my main can switch his alignment just by saying nice words to the queen or pitty a paladin...but Mr. Inquisitor burns the family of a little elven girl and is still granted powers by his lawful good godess. Great concept!

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by Aldon:

These whole alignment stuff is stupid. No person is always evil or good. I've played this game 5 times with Daeran on my side, never saw him doing something evil, infact he helped me to slay demons, healing people, closing the world wound but thats not enough, oh no sir he is evil because it's written on his sheet. And my main can switch his alignment just by saying nice words to the queen or pitty a paladin...but Mr. Inquisitor burns the family of a little elven girl and is still granted powers by his lawful good godess. Great concept!

I'm getting kind of tired of seeing this floating around. It's always the same: "I like X character, so the alignment system is stupid and makes no sense for making them evil." or, "I hate Y character, so the alignment system is stupid and makes no sense for making them anything other than evil."

I like Daeran too, I think he's charming and surprisingly relatable. The guy's still evil. He lives a life of selfish decadence indulging not much besides his own whims when you meet him, and only helps the crusade because he was forced to. If he were to abandon you, it would drag his name through the mud and he'd probably lose all his wealth and influence. He doesn't care about the crusade, he doesn't care about saving people, he's just here to get it over with and move on with his life, unless your influence encourages him otherwise. On the PFSRD in the alignment page, there's sections that give examples of different personality types for some of the alignments. Daeran is an Annihalist to a T. That's a Neutral Evil archetype. It's true, it's a very toned down evil that I was pretty happy to see represented, since not many people think of it. He's not a psycho murderer or kicking puppies for a laugh. But it IS still evil by the alignment system's standards.

Hulrun is a pretty incompetent guy that gets a lot of innocent people killed, but it's only because he's served faithfully in one of the worst wars in Golarian's history and has seen the level of deception and depravity demons can accomplish. He's become paranoid as a result, but what's driving him is still trying to protect and save the innocent. He's trying to do good, but going about it the wrong way, which is why he's ultimately LN. His heart is in the right place, but his paranoia is getting the better of him. And besides that, Iomedae grants him powers because he's not a paladin, or even a cleric. He's an inquisitor. Inquisitors get a LOT of leeway to bend the morality of their gods for the sake of doing the dirty work most others of the faithful wouldn't. That's practically their entire job. So yes, he would still get powers, most likely.

Seriously, all it takes is a bit of critical thinking and character analysis, it's not very hard.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Originally posted by Nevron:

I could have sworn they were both of neutral alignment. Never mind. I'm probably just going insane.

Only Nenio is true neutral!

[Aldon]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by Aldon:

These whole alignment stuff is stupid. No person is always evil or good. I've played this game 5 times with Daeran on my side, never saw him doing something evil, infact he helped me to slay demons, healing people, closing the world wound but thats not enough, oh no sir he is evil because it's written on his sheet. And my main can switch his alignment just by saying nice words to the queen or pitty a paladin...but Mr. Inquisitor burns the family of a little elven girl and is still granted powers by his lawful good godess. Great concept!

I'm getting kind of tired of seeing this floating around. It's always the same: "I like X character, so the alignment system is stupid and makes no sense for making them evil." or, "I hate Y character, so the alignment system is stupid and makes no sense for making them anything other than evil."

I like Daeran too, I think he's charming and surprisingly relatable. The guy's still evil. He lives a life of selfish decadence indulging not much besides his own whims when you meet him, and only helps the crusade because he was forced to. If he were to abandon you, it would drag his name through the mud and he'd probably lose all his wealth and influence. He doesn't care about the crusade, he doesn't care about saving people, he's just here to get it over with and move on with his life, unless your influence encourages him otherwise. On the PFSRD in the alignment page, there's sections that give examples of different personality types for some of the alignments. Daeran is an Annihalist to a T. That's a Neutral Evil archetype.

Hulrun is a pretty incompetent guy that gets a lot of innocent people killed, but it's only because he's served faithfully in one of the worst wars in Golarian's history and has seen the level of deception and depravity demons can accomplish. He's become paranoid as a result, but what's driving him is still trying to protect and save the innocent. He's trying to do good, but going about it the wrong way, which is why he's ultimately LN. His heart is in the right place, but his paranoia is getting the better of him. And besides that, Iomedae grants him powers because he's not a paladin, or even a cleric. He's an inquisitor. Inquisitors get a LOT of leeway to bend the morality of their gods for the sake of doing the dirty work most others of the faithful wouldn't. That's practically their entire job. So yes, he would still get powers, most likely.

Seriously, all it takes is a bit of critical thinking and character analysis, it's not very hard.

I disagree here. To tell me the concept (which I know from playing dnd for over 30 years now) doesn't mean the whole concept is not inherently wrong. Black and white and in this game often not based on actions but simple conversations with party members. Selfish and not willingly helping the crusade could be a description of Woljif, too. His alignment is well chosen, but Dearan is not. And taking Hulruns paranoia as an excuse means you also has to factor in Dearans past and host, his fear everything could be over every moment. I'm bothered by the plaque the game put on the characters, a plaque everyone knows, but you may start caotic evil and beeing elevatet to knight commandre by queen and paladin Galfrey herself noneless. And Seelah constantly failing to "detect evil"....

And all it takes is a bit of critical thinking and character analysis, it's not very hard.

[Al3XD]

Originally posted by xəʁ:

Originally posted by Nevron:

I could have sworn they were both of neutral alignment. Never mind. I'm probably just going insane.

Only Nenio is true neutral!

Greybor wants a word.

[Nevron]

Originally posted by xəʁ:

Originally posted by Nevron:

I could have sworn they were both of neutral alignment. Never mind. I'm probably just going insane.

Only Nenio is true neutral!

I meant I thought Regill was lawful neutral and Daeren chaotic neutral. My eyes were playing tricks on me.