Struggling with companions

[Joe Jinis]

Hello there,

I think I might do something wrong.
The game is supposed to either give us companions fitting in different roles or allowing us to recruit mercenaries.
Mercenaries cost more than a fifth crusade thus aren't an option.

I play a 2 handed dps paladin.
What I expect to find is :
-A good tank
-A good heal
-Ranged DPS

But everyone seems just bad Oo
Seelah : a paladin ( sad :'( ) tank with bad stats.
Camelia : Useless on every aspect, I don't know what to do with her, no damage, no health, no spells, melee, her only utility is disarm traps and open chests.
Amber : A frail caster (using CHA like my 2 paladins, great...) spcialized in fire spells, which 90% of ennemies are resistant to, you know daemons, resist fire + spell resistance...
Nenio : INT caster ( yeah ! ), can launch 3 spells, get resistance fail everytime and then return to uselessness.
Woljif : I hate melee rogues, then I don't take him because it's too much like my own char, but he seems underpowered by his "spell orientation".
Lann : At last a good character even if I don't understand the monk part being totaly useless ( never go to melee ).

Basically every fight is like a "3 vs daemon swarms" sprint run : Send Seelah to melee hoping she won't get two shoted like paper, and do damages with my main + Lann. The 3 other are doing nothing, missing crossbow shots all the time and doing no damage because of /dr 5 or magic resistance.
And my main concern, where are healers? -_- That should be our first companion... right now I'm using all spells on cure light wound and all my money on potions.... great job !

Every single fight is like Ragnarokk and requires often to reload because of tank being annihilated, the whole team on a 1 dice spree, etc :(

How could I make Camelia, Nenio and Amber not useless? Will I encounter an healer someday?

Thanks !

[Dixon Sider]

My favorite touch AC counter is touch of good. The fact that you can get the domain slut mythic perk and use domains as swift actions makes it even better.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by djinnxy:

You can stick with calling it a meme because you don't like it. I'll stick with calling it a useful tool to have in the box.

I call it a meme because people accept it uncritically when if they looked closely at the benefits and costs they’d never choose to do it themselves.

Summons are useful for misdirection but unless you’re a dedicated summoner like extra pets they just gum up attack lanes. I rely on zergs and interruptions and initiative and making sure each member of the team presents a threat that foes must answer rather than trying to defend against every conceivable attack that it’s easier to just prevent in the first place.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

My favorite touch AC counter is touch of good. The fact that you can get the domain slut mythic perk and use domains as swift actions makes it even better.

Does that give AC too? Inspiring Command and Godclaw Aura do.

[Super Xavior]

by ppl you mean only you? Lol, i see you saying naked tank a meme multiple times and instead trying to prove armor tank is superior while any popular build on internet is based on naked tank . You're luck here isnt reddit or you will be downvote to oblivion

Personally i find the fact that naked tank perform better than armor tank is ridiculous in term of logic and i don't like it as well. But that doesn't mean its not the best way to pile up AC lol.

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by dwarner:

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

My favorite touch AC counter is touch of good. The fact that you can get the domain slut mythic perk and use domains as swift actions makes it even better.

Does that give AC too? Inspiring Command and Godclaw Aura do.

No, it helps with the saves. The potentially deadly touch attacks usually come along with either a saving throw, or something mitigated by death ward. I was thinking about dipping into different domains for Sosiel, but I already dipped into the plant domain for barkskin.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Super Xavior:

by ppl you mean only you? Lol, i see you saying naked tank a meme multiple times and instead trying to prove armor tank is superior while any popular build on internet is based on naked tank . You're luck here isnt reddit or you will be downvote to oblivion

Personally i find the fact that naked tank perform better than armor tank is ridiculous in term of logic and i don't like it as well. But that doesn't mean its not the best way to pile up AC lol.

Popular lol. Redditor. Figures.

Clickbait sites are not your friend, brother.

Of course you can stack high AC naked but only at the expenses of burning levels and Mythics that would let you do something useful. Name the fight I’ll post the pic.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

Originally posted by dwarner:

Does that give AC too? Inspiring Command and Godclaw Aura do.

No, it helps with the saves. The potentially deadly touch attacks usually come along with either a saving throw, or something mitigated by death ward. I was thinking about dipping into different domains for Sosiel, but I already dipped into the plant domain for barkskin.

I just let Cam->Aru handle the Bark. They bring so much to the table it’s hard to leave them home.

Inspiring Command is OW full round so fits great with Zealot. Tho I’m trying it on Reg this time since MC is ranged and opened up a slot.

[Super Xavior]

what burning lol? most build only dip 1 level into monk, thats it. WOTR open another option which is nature oracle dip. As for mythic, you also only need one for mage armor (and ppl don't really take it until late game).

What pic? i finished the game on hard with armor tank fine, all you need to do is give them all the buff they need, mage armor/barkskin/shield/magical vestment/MC-vestment shield version , but all of that can be put on any kind of character. This game is ez if you know how to exploit stuff, i can one rounded deskari on hard with pounced charge without needing to tank at all, what does that prove?

Don't try to change the subject, if you want to prove armor tank is better than naked tank, say sth exclusive to them

[dwarner]

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Originally posted by Super Xavior:

what burning lol? most build only dip 1 level into monk, thats it. WOTR open another option which is nature oracle dip. As for mythic, you also only need one for mage armor (and ppl don't really take it until late game).

What pic? i finished the game on hard with armor tank fine, all you need to do is give them all the buff they need, mage armor/barkskin/shield/magical vestment/MC-vestment shield version , but all of that can be put on any kind of character. This game is ez if you know how to exploit stuff, i can one rounded deskari on hard with pounced charge without needing to tank at all, what does that prove?

Don't try to change the subject, if you want to prove armor tank is better than naked tank, say sth exclusive to them

Talking all big and can’t even think for yourself enough to try something you didn’t read on a clickbait site.

One level’s a ton. It means you’re playing the whole game without the best level of your class. Try playing DOSII underleveled and see how it goes.

At this point if someone offered me five AC for -2 to hit I don’t think I’d take that straight up let alone making me give up an equipment slot, a Mythic, a level, and some Feats.

It proves that playing the game as designed is both more fun and effective than trying to turn it into 3.5 or an MMO because some clickbait site doesn’t have time to learn new games before cranking out their garbage guides.

[Super Xavior]

How many % of your playthrough that you actually play with your level 20 milestones? by that point of the game, nothing really matter cause mythic and stuff already make your team strong af, what matter is the early/mid game. And again, you still haven't explained why you think armor tank is better, But i know why now actually, cause you don't know what to say :P

And why do you think i haven't try it lol? If you only want to believe what you like then there's no point talking further.

[stars2heaven]

What's with the people who know very little about the game mechanics but demand to play on core or above and then complain that everything is poorly designed when they have a rough time? OP, all of the characters you mentioned are excellent. Some of the characters you mentioned as being useless can literally trivialize some of the hardest encounters in the game. You need to reduce the difficulty you are playing on until you've learned the ropes.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Super Xavior:

How many % of your playthrough that you actually play with your level 20 milestones? by that point of the game, nothing really matter cause mythic and stuff already make your team strong af, what matter is the early/mid game. And again, you still haven't explained why you think armor tank is better, But i know why now actually, cause you don't know what to say :P

And why do you think i haven't try it lol? If you only want to believe what you like then there's no point talking further.

Because there’s no reason to tank some things in the first place. Game is designed to reward resilience and the ability to present a variety of approaches depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the foe.

It’s also boring to turn every playthrough into a mix of a mediocre Monk and underleveled Main Class that gets to all its Feats and abilities late. And that’s felt most starkly on the levels you’re talking about because there you’re missing 1/2 to 1/6 of your main class instead of one level out of 18 or whatever.

[Veganleader1]

I'm not sure that my point of armorless characters in the game was received the way that I had intended. I wasn't saying that it was better to invest in them or not, merely that the game starts you off with companion after companion that are literally specced to have no armor. The wizard, witch, zen archer, and the eldritch scoundrel all begin with no armor proficiencies. The monk loses their 'superpowers' by even putting on armor. The other 3 may be able to wear it, if you take proficiencies and arcane armor and get around their size-able strength dumps. Taking that combined with my choice of a monk for MC and kicking Wendu to the curb for reasons led to a really homogenous team of characters for a party comp. These characters all need the same buffs, armor choices and protections so they are all competing with one another in a party without. I suspect they maybe expect you will take Archmage Armor and call it a day.

Dwarner I got to admit I didn't realize that treat affliction covered diseases, I have only ever used it for poisons.

[Veganleader1]

In regards to Woljif, I may on any future runs just build him as a Grenadier Alchemist. It's just so good, hit nearly everything like a truck in kingmaker.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Veganleader1:

I'm not sure that my point of armorless characters in the game was received the way that I had intended. I wasn't saying that it was better to invest in them or not, merely that the game starts you off with companion after companion that are literally specced to have no armor. The wizard, witch, zen archer, and the eldritch scoundrel all begin with no armor proficiencies. The monk loses their 'superpowers' by even putting on armor. The other 3 may be able to wear it, if you take proficiencies and arcane armor and get around their size-able strength dumps. Taking that combined with my choice of a monk for MC and kicking Wendu to the curb for reasons led to a really homogenous team of characters for a party comp. These characters all need the same buffs, armor choices and protections so they are all competing with one another in a party without. I suspect they maybe expect you will take Archmage Armor and call it a day.

Dwarner I got to admit I didn't realize that treat affliction covered diseases, I have only ever used it for poisons.

Yeah a lot of people miss that. Big QoL improvement when you figure it out.

No you make a great point about the companions. When I stopped to think about it you're right and I've noticed it on certain party configs myself. I don't think that people appreciate how much mithril stuff there is that lets you go armor and shield on Daeran and eventually STR-based melee tho. Cam is DEX-based but she can productively use the Mithril Medium and Buckler.