Bloodrager seems pretty awesome

[SoundsOfNight]

So I created a Primalist Merc aftering seeing a S ranking on some site - and damn, what a cool class! Bloodlines, Arcane Magic, Rage Powers!

How would you rate this class?

[ExcaliburV]

Unfortunately in the same boat as ranger for me, where you trade out the potential for class features with casting that progresses so slowly that most enemies have eclipsed you by the time you even get spells to begin with.

My bloodrager almost never casted a spell except shield and maybe the odd heroism/haste if I really needed to buff for the next fight. Buffing is really the only thing that feels worth it because for your damaging spells to even do well you need to grab feats- spell pen, spell focus, etc- that dilute your martial combat.

Where the class shines is the bloodline abilities you get. And primalist is a great choice, since any bloodline abilities you might have gotten that you don't like, you can trade out for some rage powers instead, so you won't end up stuck with any powers you don't want.

Mind you I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I played a Primalist bloodrage MC from 1-20 for my Demon playthrough. I got through the game fine and had my share of fun, so it wasn't a complete wash.

[zpc]

I really like this class - self-sustaining in terms of buffs and full BAB for wielding the nice stuff.

Made myself a huge half-orc merc with that class and he really shines.

[GunStarX]

Bloodrager is one of my favorite classes, there's so many different ways to play it with the bloodlines and being able to take rage powers as a primalist, plus the spells are good for buffing yourself.

[malkavius77]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Unfortunately in the same boat as ranger for me, where you trade out the potential for class features with casting that progresses so slowly that most enemies have eclipsed you by the time you even get spells to begin with.

My bloodrager almost never casted a spell except shield and maybe the odd heroism/haste if I really needed to buff for the next fight. Buffing is really the only thing that feels worth it because for your damaging spells to even do well you need to grab feats- spell pen, spell focus, etc- that dilute your martial combat.

Where the class shines is the bloodline abilities you get. And primalist is a great choice, since any bloodline abilities you might have gotten that you don't like, you can trade out for some rage powers instead, so you won't end up stuck with any powers you don't want.

Mind you I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I played a Primalist bloodrage MC from 1-20 for my Demon playthrough. I got through the game fine and had my share of fun, so it wasn't a complete wash.

Dunno what you mean about ranger spells. Lead blades, hurricane bow, Sense vitals, magic fangs, aspects, delay poisons and even the summons stay relevant forever.

[Aliceskysareblue]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

So I created a Primalist Merc aftering seeing a S ranking on some site - and damn, what a cool class! Bloodlines, Arcane Magic, Rage Powers!

How would you rate this class?

primalist is really cool, remember though if you take a second bloodline and choose to take rage powers instead of the bloodline feats you wont get the second bloodline feats.

my frustration with bloodrager is that currenlty bloodrage doesnt stack with demonic rage, which is really dum, and you cant activate demonic rage if you have bloodrage activated

[malkavius77]

To be fair demon path is crap all around.

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by malkavius77:

Dunno what you mean about ranger spells. Lead blades, hurricane bow, Sense vitals, magic fangs, aspects, delay poisons and even the summons stay relevant forever.

I guess, I think it wasn't until I gave bloodrager a shot that I realized the only thing worth doing with your spells was buffing. Maybe if I made another ranger I'd run them a bit better.

[malkavius77]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by malkavius77:

Dunno what you mean about ranger spells. Lead blades, hurricane bow, Sense vitals, magic fangs, aspects, delay poisons and even the summons stay relevant forever.

I guess, I think it wasn't until I gave bloodrager a shot that I realized the only thing worth doing with your spells was buffing. Maybe if I made another ranger I'd run them a bit better.

That's the point for most melee classes with spells though. You buff to cover your defenses. Did you expect to be nuking as well? Wouldn't be very useful since you would need a massive amount of feats.

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by malkavius77:

That's the point for most melee classes with spells though. You buff to cover your defenses. Did you expect to be nuking as well? Wouldn't be very useful since you would need a massive amount of feats.

I guess I was expecting it to be more like a magus. Channeling spells through your attacks, but with a more limited spell selection to make up for the added benefit of bloodrage.

[GunStarX]

Originally posted by Aliceskysareblue:

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

So I created a Primalist Merc aftering seeing a S ranking on some site - and damn, what a cool class! Bloodlines, Arcane Magic, Rage Powers!

How would you rate this class?

primalist is really cool, remember though if you take a second bloodline and choose to take rage powers instead of the bloodline feats you wont get the second bloodline feats.

my frustration with bloodrager is that currenlty bloodrage doesnt stack with demonic rage, which is really dum, and you cant activate demonic rage if you have bloodrage activated

That's a huge problem with the demon path. As if someone would have two different types of rages, from a RP perspective its ♥♥♥♥.

[The entire freaking Soviet Union]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Mind you I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I played a Primalist bloodrage MC from 1-20 for my Demon playthrough. I got through the game fine and had my share of fun, so it wasn't a complete wash.

Curious what build you went for that? Been thinking of doing a primalist demon run as i've heard the classes rage bonuses apply nicely for demon rage and vise-versa.

I was hoping to make good use of the transformations though-- i'm not 100% how they work in regards to weapons/damage scaling.

[Stink Bug]

If there weren't so many evil enemies in this game it'd be my favorite of the half casters. It's mostly an upgrade of the barbarian (especially primalist) and the bloodline abilities are all useful and flavorful. And I believe you get a swift action cast with each bloodrage as well, which helps a load with those short-lived buffs.

[TheBasque]

Be creative guys and think of strategies, build toward the type of fighting your character would do. In Kingmaker, i went for it and rolled a Thug (5), Wizard ( 5 - Hand of Apprentice), and 10 Arcane Trickster to finish off the game - and while yes, at first I mainly focused on buffs I was always using spells like Grease, Color Spray , Hand of FIre, Cone of Cold , Disintegration, Stinking Cloud, Cloud Kill - ray and touch spells work great for less than prime spellcasters. I loved it and powerful when playing in slightly harder than Core rules - great solo and in teamwork. That build did well with spells, great AC/concealment, and high damage with decent AB.

I am currently nearly done with ACT 3 , the last level of it, and my Drovier has done great despite being a hybrid without Min/maxing the character, playing w/ second hardest settings. It is better for my Druid to not be Min Maxed, and it has turned out brilliantly

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by The entire freaking Soviet Union:

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Mind you I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I played a Primalist bloodrage MC from 1-20 for my Demon playthrough. I got through the game fine and had my share of fun, so it wasn't a complete wash.

Curious what build you went for that? Been thinking of doing a primalist demon run as i've heard the classes rage bonuses apply nicely for demon rage and vise-versa.

I was hoping to make good use of the transformations though-- i'm not 100% how they work in regards to weapons/damage scaling.

I guess the general gist is that I made a crit monster. Weapon of choice was Falchion, improved crit and mythic improved crit, traded a couple of my bloodline powers for the Lethal Stance chain, by the end of it my crits were 15-20 x4 for just under 300 damage per crit. Took endless rage at mythic 1 so I could use bloodrage for most normal fights and stock my demon rages for boss fights, since they're kind of limited. The 3 demon aspects I focused on were, uh, Schir, Nabasu, and the one that gives you a natural armor bump. Major aspects were the ones that boosted STR, CON, and DR/-, and I used my profane bonuses to bump STR and CHA. It barely matters, but demon lord aspects were Deskari and Pazuzu.

I'm not really a build master, so I didn't follow a rigid guide or carefully plot out my build, I just kinda took what felt right, this probably isn't optimized or anything.

[Tsukada]

I'm loving my Eldritch Archer right now and it's the first time ever playing a magus.